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thesaintofsound
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Elevate input or limiter gain

December 02, 2018 - 11:48 am

So I was wondering what the difference would be between raising the input or the limiter gain (with adaptive gain off). In both case the limiter works at 0 dB. So would there be a difference between using the input of limiter gain in this case?

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DGillespie
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December 03, 2018 - 05:04 pm

thesaintofsound wrote:

So I was wondering what the difference would be between raising the input or the limiter gain (with adaptive gain off). In both case the limiter works at 0 dB. So would there be a difference between using the input of limiter gain in this case?

Actually, there is a difference.  When you apply GAIN in Elevate that GAIN value gets incorporated into the machine learning algorithm as the target GAIN that your setting.  The algorithm tries to hit that target gain while also satisfying the other constraints (SPEED, ADAPTIVE GAIN, ADAPTIVE SPEED, and the auditory model).  It weighs all these values against each other and to try to hit the requested target based on the incoming audio.  The INPUT LEVEL on the other hand is just a linear input level control.  Essentially, the best idea for a loud master is to set the INPUT LEVEL controls such that your audio is just below clipping and use GAIN control to increase the level.

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December 03, 2018 - 05:51 pm

thesaintofsound wrote:

So I was wondering what the difference would be between raising the input or the limiter gain (with adaptive gain off). In both case the limiter works at 0 dB. So would there be a difference between using the input of limiter gain in this case?

I just realized you said with ADAPTIVE GAIN off.  If ADAPTIVE GAIN and ADAPTIVE SPEED are off, it's still different because it sets up some unique knee curves.

thesaintofsound
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January 22, 2019 - 02:14 pm

And I have the same with "Ceiling" and "output"/ What would be the difference there? If you lower the ceiling, is the treshold lowerered and with lowering the output, the limiting is not effected?