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magidm
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Native Version of Anthology II

magidm
February 03, 2009 - 12:04 am
I wish they would make native versions. TDM is going away with computers becoming so powerful.
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nickrose
March 04, 2009 - 12:45 pm

 It is an ENORMOUS amount of work for us to change from TDM to native.

One day ...

magidm
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magidm
March 04, 2009 - 02:47 pm
Since it's such an ENORMOUS task, you might want to consider starting sooner rather than later (assuming you intend to stay in the plugin business). Most of the people I know in the business (including myself), are either getting rid of TDM or thinking about getting rid of it. I don't have statistics, but I would bet there are currently more native users than TDM and the trend will only continue to move further in that direction.
dayjob111
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dayjob111
March 08, 2009 - 11:35 pm
i'd love native versions of the anthology bundle . i'm sure it's a huge amount of work to re-write all the plugs for AU/VST mac/PC but you'd sell an assload of them especially if you made them dongle free w/challenge response authorization so people could use them on their laptops. it'd be heaven. i can't imagine pro-tools DSP cards making sense for much longer. another year or two and CPU"s will have who knows how many cores and CPU cycles to spare.. digidesign will have to reinvent itself along the model of MOTU and be an interface + software company or come up with something relevant. i know their hardware is quite specialized and allows for ultra low latency for high track counts when tracking but who cares? apogee, lynx etc are offering low latency PCIe cards w/quality converters/clocks and they are only gonna be better as time goes on.
dayjob111
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dayjob111
March 24, 2009 - 01:43 am
so.. the native versions will be out next week right? ;) new apple mac pro would run the anthology bundle nicely me thinks.
michaelbrook
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michaelbrook
August 26, 2010 - 01:30 pm

I hear you, but I just bought 2 Lexicon pcm bundles, and would defintely buy an audio unit native anthology bundle. My tdm system is gathering dust. As are my H300 and slightly less, my Eclipse.

Of course you need to do the cost/benefit analysis for you, but there is a large market for native plugins, that is probably increasing.

tlockett
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tlockett
July 01, 2011 - 10:08 pm

I sure hope you find a way to make your plugs native, they are the only reason I stay TDM, got to have those Eventide plug ins, I own the Anthology II bundle, and will always support your products, but Native is the way things are heading and fast.

Thanks,

Tommy

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March 04, 2009 - 06:17 pm

 Gosh !!!

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March 24, 2009 - 01:08 pm

Can't argue with your analysis. Except .. it may take a few weeks more.

So much to do, so little time.

dayjob111
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dayjob111
March 24, 2009 - 01:58 pm
i'm sure it would take more than a few weeks.. there's a lot of plug ins to convert. i'd be happy to beta test for you guys if this does indeed become a reality. :)
dayjob111
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dayjob111
April 05, 2009 - 03:02 pm
if you guys do actually make native versions of these plug ins i really really hope you make then iLok free and allow for 2 authorizations so we can install them on 2 systems.. one for the laptop and one for the desktop. traveling with iLoks is annoying and worrying as they break/get lost or stolen and laptops are fast enough these days to use CPU hungry plugins like these in a live situation. playing live with an iLok is doubly worrisome... i know it's not too common for highend plug in makers to allow for more than one install but these days it's more than necessary and most DAW's (DP, live, Logic etc) allow for installs on more than one system because i think they understand that most people have a live/portable set up as well as a studio set up.. i think it's unreasonable to have to buy the plug ins twice to use them on each system. even NI allows a 2nd auth and many other plug in developers do as well. just my 2 cents
unguitar
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unguitar
January 10, 2010 - 03:01 pm

I would love to have the Antology as Vst.

And I add myself with the ones who already strongly suggested not to take the iLok ( and similar) route.

This is the reason why I don't buy Soundtoys.

Luca

dayjob111
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dayjob111
March 21, 2010 - 02:33 pm

i wonder if there is any news about native anthology?  Digidesign supposedly has something new in the works. i wonder how it will effect TDM developers?  especially since digidesign has ditched DAE support for logic/dp in future versions of protools. seems now more than ever tdm developers should be looking more and more towards going native... those that haven't already anyways..

anyway - i plan on a new mac pro sometime late this year.. it would be nice to make it sweat running eventide plug ins in logic natively... 

Surround SFX
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Surround SFX
March 22, 2010 - 03:34 am

+1 on native versions. I have the Anthology II bundle but the HD2 rig is collecting dust and looking at permanent retirement. Apart from the processing per dollar being way behind the times, the DSPs more often than not max out at 96k (well, at least for most *interesting* plug-ins)....which is a pity as I work at 192k most of the time. So Mr HD2 doesn't get to play with the boys very often anymore. 

Also, surround capable plug-ins would be great. I can imagine spending significant money on a native surround Eventide bundle to complement the Lexicon reverb offerings, especially if it were to contain the ultra-shifter algorithms (not just the 3000-ish ones in the Anthology bundle). Basically make the 8000 a native Mac plug, charge me 2k and everybody should be happy :-)

Personally, I like the iLok. Nice and hassle-free, no "you have already authorised 3 machines so please wait a week for someone in support to get back to you" nonsense. Plug in the dongle, install, rolling. 

 My 2 ct on the matter.

unguitar
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unguitar
April 29, 2010 - 04:58 pm

any will to offer us an update about a possible Native version at the horizon ?

and, if this horizon exists, how far it is from now ?

thank you !

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April 29, 2010 - 06:59 pm

We would certainly like to, but can't say if or when. Sorry.

gregwar
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gregwar
May 22, 2010 - 01:28 pm

+1

native versions pretty please

dayjob111
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dayjob111
December 02, 2010 - 04:22 pm

just a little bump. still jonesing for these in native. pro tools has gone native.. would be nice to see anthology join the party. VST/AU.  i think you'd sell a ton of them.  everyone who  has lusted after a harmonizer but couldn't fork over $3-5K would jump on the chance to own a bit of eventide in software form.  i'm guessing eventide sold a fair amount of the stomp boxes for a similar reason. high quality, lower cost than full on harmonizer and you get some flavor of eventide in the studio.

anyway - eventide i love your stuff. i hope i can get it inside my computer to lot's of crazy things with. happy holidays.

timothyhill
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timothyhill
December 21, 2010 - 12:16 am
+1 - I would buy a native version in a heartbeat.
dayjob111
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dayjob111
January 14, 2011 - 02:18 pm

was hopeful for something announced at NAMM but alas. another stomp box pedal. all well and good but TDM is going to become a smaller and smaller market for plug in manufacturers.. now is the time to get in on the native majority :)

please please. 

please. Wink

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zap
February 13, 2011 - 11:16 am

another vote for badly need native please!  computers are getting so good that it will make TDM obsolete sooner rather than later.

eraserhead
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eraserhead
August 17, 2011 - 12:05 pm

Another vote here for a native version. Maybe just start with an RTAS version.

mrdelurk
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mrdelurk
August 21, 2011 - 05:01 am

+1 on a Native version

+1 on not having a dongle (the reason why I didn't buy Waves)

Perhaps the Native version could be sold on an as-converted basis? Once you converted plugin #1, sell it for $199, $299 or whatever. Once you converted plugin #2, sell that too for another $199, $299 or whatever. People don't have to wait for ages until the whole set is converted, and they can start using Eventide products at a lower initial cost too, instead of having to buy a giant bundle at a matching cost. A win-win marketing approach.

neilhester
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neilhester
October 21, 2011 - 02:23 pm

So Now that Avid have announced the new AAX Plugin format with PT10 do Eventide intent to update the Anthology bundle and perhaps provide native support? Geeked

dayjob111
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dayjob111
October 21, 2011 - 02:48 pm

i wonder what this means for TDM stuff as well.  it appears the new DSP cards for avid are quite powerful and aren't going to go away so i'm sure all the TDM plugs will jump to the new format sooner or later..  it could be a tough time for some developers making yet another format - depending on how easy/difficult avid has made it to get from TDM to whatever the new format is.. also, it appears the new format replaces RTAS??? so maybe that means there will be one less format at some point.. but it's not like every pro tools user is gonna jump on the update and rock the boat on what is probably their stable system. plus,the updates aren't exactly inexpensive for the average user. updates for the HD version is like $999 or something.

so, it's 'clear as mud' as to what this means for native versions of the anthology bundle. i hope there is a silver lining somewhere.. it would be really great to have these as native plugs inside logic/live etc and not be chained to a DSP dongle :)

mrdelurk
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mrdelurk
October 21, 2011 - 04:23 pm

AAX? Oh great. Nothing like format that even less widespread than TDM to fracture an already decreasing market share.

Now Anthology II will need a Native Version more than ever.

dayjob111
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dayjob111
October 24, 2011 - 02:33 pm

so i guess you've all seen the announcement that eventide is going native w/its plug ins?  

thank you eventide!  i can't wait for H3000 factory and the band delays!!!

there is info in this article about the native turn of events.

http://www.sonicscoop.com/2011/10/20/eventide-turns-40-and-turns-a-corner-as-well/

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October 25, 2011 - 11:01 am
mrdelurk:

AAX? Oh great. Nothing like format that even less widespread than TDM to fracture an already decreasing market share.

We have announced that we are also doing them for AU and VST2. Hope these formats are not also too obscure for you.

dayjob111
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dayjob111
October 25, 2011 - 02:56 pm

Hi Nickrose -

i just wanted to say thanks for moving into the native formats!  i'm super stoked. i know you guys have your work cut out for you but i'm wondering if there is a release schedule or roadmap for which plug ins will be released when? or if there will be bundles etc? 

any other info you can share would be much appreciated. though i'm sure your hands are tied a bit and you have to let things come through official channels for announcements etc.

anyway - thanks again!

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November 11, 2011 - 07:57 pm

Hey Guys,

Sorry, but we can't announce an plan or an order yet.  However, we do plan on continuing to release native plug-ins.  You can actually help us make the plan by letting us know which you would like us to do next.

Thanks,

Dan

dayjob111
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dayjob111
November 11, 2011 - 08:35 pm

Hi Dan -

thanks for the reply.  as for which plug to do next.. for me it's a no brainer.. i'd love the H3000 Factory. hands down that is what it's all about to me.

happy coding and have a good weekend.

Farrell
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Farrell
November 24, 2011 - 08:57 pm

Would love to see the H3000 in an AudioUnit.  Would buy it without hesitation!

mrdelurk
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mrdelurk
December 07, 2011 - 09:21 pm

Which plugin to do first? Whichever emulates Eventide's hardware harmonizer... I have tons of reverbs and EQs and compressors already Big Smile

jfreak
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jfreak
December 25, 2011 - 03:10 pm

#1: Eventide Reverb !!!

#2: 2016 (all)

gregwar
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gregwar
December 30, 2011 - 11:00 pm

YES !! i knew this day would come !!1  

i'm excited for any native plugs from eventide 

a suggestion would be some advanced effects like modulation & spectral delays

harmonizers would be dope 

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zap
January 05, 2012 - 07:22 pm

Regardless if this is native, I am still looking to add the coming H3000 effects to my collection, will these be as good as or close to the reverbs and effects of the H8000FW?

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January 06, 2012 - 12:18 am

Hi Zap,

The H3000 Factory plug-in, which we're porting from the TDM version, is a re-creation of the Patch Factory, Mod Factory 1, and Mod Factory 2 algorithms from the H3000.  As such, it's not intended to just any of the effects in the H8000, but rather some of the effects in the H3000.  That being said, it sound darn good and will be a faithful reproduction of the very popular PT TDM plug-in.

The BlackHole plug-in, which we also pre-announced, is the exact same core algorithm from the H8000.  The only changes we're to the knob ranges to make it more playable, and the addition of a predelay and feedback, which make it sound awesome.

As long as I've been here we've never reduced the quality of an algorithm to avoid competition with our more expensive products, nor will we.  If it's not worth making it sound as good as possible, it's not worth making it at all.

Farrell
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Farrell
January 10, 2012 - 07:37 pm

Dan,

I have a few questions for you. I really appreciate Eventide releasing the Native/AU of the H3000.  I've dreamed about owning one for a long time & now I will in March!  My questions:

What specifically are Mod Factory 1&2 & Patch factory?

Will one be able to load the differing versions of the H3000 like the SE/DX series?

Will one be able to load 3rd party & Eventide presets such as the Vai presets for guitar?

Any video tutorials for the H3000?

Will I be able to get the two following tones from the upcoming release:

The Big Country 'bagpipe' sound...

The A Flock of Seagulls general tone of the first two albums?

...Yes I love the '80's... Very much.

Cheers!

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January 13, 2012 - 05:37 pm

Hi Farrell,

The H3000 has around 20 algorithms.  The Mod Factory and Patch Factory algorithms are all based on the idea of different  modules which you can patch together to create your own sounds.  Because of this, you can create a large number of different presets, from delays to pitch shifters, to chorus, dynamics, and special effects.  Since the Factory plug-in only recreates those 3 algorithms, it will include a large number of presets from the H3000, but only the ones based on those 3 algorithms.  At this time, I don't yet know what the full compliment of presets will be for the Factory Plug-in.

We don't have any video tutorials for the H3000, unfortunately, but we are working to put the original manual online for you.

Unfortunately, I also don't know those specific sounds.  Perhaps when we get closer to the product release I can take a closer look for you.

Thanks,

Dan

Bluebeard
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Bluebeard
January 31, 2012 - 07:22 pm

Any chance of releasing the native plugs as VST's for Mac? I know a lot of Cubase heads on Mac's that would love to be able to use these. 

jfreak
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jfreak
February 10, 2012 - 11:42 am

Could we please wait until the plugs are ported to AAX-native first?

I'm sure there's little work to be done regarding AU/VST once the plugs are ported to Native to begin with...

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February 10, 2012 - 02:46 pm

I think the general plan is to release them for AAX Native (PC/MAC) and AU (Mac of course) and VST (PC/MAC) at much the same time. Obviously this is a lot of work, so they will appear one by one, rather than en masse.

mrdelurk
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mrdelurk
February 23, 2012 - 08:27 pm

DGillespie:

The H3000 has around 20 algorithms.  (snip) Since the Factory plug-in only recreates those 3 algorithms

Question: are the non-recreated 17 algorithms related to harmonizing? Or are they just miscellania like delay, flanging, reverb, etc. I'm asking because if a hardware H3000 will offer harmonizing features unavailable in the software version, I might just pick up an old second hand H3000.

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February 24, 2012 - 11:19 am

Just to be clear - the Factory plugin is NOT a H3000 recreation - it is a separate product based on a number of the H3000 algorithms.

To answer your question - the "non-recreated" effects are roughly divided between shifters, reverbs and "other." The H3000 manual can be purchased from the Eventide Store if you need more information.

Note that while the H3000 has its own charmingly funky sound, it is a 25 year old product without any digital I/O or modern features. The shifters and special effects are still popular, but some say the reverbs do not compare well with present-day examples.

mrdelurk
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mrdelurk
February 24, 2012 - 03:58 pm

nickrose:

Just to be clear - the Factory plugin is NOT a H3000 recreation

Oh? Here I stand corrected. I guess it's ebay time, then. Devil

Voltaire27
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Voltaire27
March 19, 2012 - 05:12 am

So now that it's March 19th, and you stated it would be available this month, can you finally tell us the official H3000 native release date? Don't you want to give a heads up to those who've been biting at the bit and plan to purchase it immediately? Come on, month's almost over. Throw us a line here ;)

dayjob111
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dayjob111
April 17, 2012 - 11:10 pm

i'm wondering too. i hope they're close. seems these things always take longer than expected and developers shoot themselves in the foot by offering up a preliminary release date.

oh well. i've waited this long and would rather have it bug free and working as it should than have it now and buggy etc.

so, get it right eventide.. i'm patient :)   

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April 18, 2012 - 10:40 am

Hi Guys,

Thanks for your patience.  We have run in to some technical difficulties on the port, but are still working on it and it will still be coming out.  It is still slated for after the Blackhole plug-in release, which should be very soon.

Dan

neilhester
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neilhester
April 18, 2012 - 11:26 am

will it be one upgrade for the whole bundle? Or even free to current TDM bundle owners?

E.g. i should hold of from buying the omnipressor upgrade and just buy the bundle upgrade?  

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April 19, 2012 - 10:39 am

Hi Neil,

I think the long term plan is to eventually do the entire Anthology II bundle, but I'm hesitant to promise as much because I just don't know.  Even if we do do the entire bundle, it won't be for quite a while and we may have to have a cross-grade price simply because of the amount of work involved.

Since we've been porting these plug-ins one at a time, we've been using the same license as the current individual plug-ins which makes the plug-in free to current owners of those individual licenses, so if you own a "Factory" license in iLok.com, you'll be able to just download the new installer and use it in TDM or Native.  Because we can't take away your "Anthology II" license (without you losing the ability to use Anthology II), we can't do the same thing with Anthology II users.  So what we've chosen to do is offer aggressive cross-grade pricing which allows you to keep you Anthology II license and use A2 on TDM, plus allows you to get a full Omnipressor license which allows you to run Omnipressor Native or TDM.  The idea being, if you have A2 and only ever use Omnipressor, you can crossgrade to Omnipressor and sell your A2 license.

The short story is this.  We're really happy to be making Native Plug-ins, but it's going to take a while and we're kind of playing it by ear.  We want to make the best plug-ins out there and we want you to use them on all your tracks.  We also really appreciate all of our current users who've been using them for years and want to make sure they have every opportunity to continue doing so, while hopefully also bring out some new plug-ins for you all to use.

I hope this crazy long response to your short question was clear.  Let me know if it wasn't.

Dan

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April 19, 2012 - 10:41 am

One more thing,

We also want you to post links to music you used the plug-ins on, because really, that's what it's all about and we love hearing that stuff.

Thanks,

Dan