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NikosGuitar
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jbamberg wrote:

January 06, 2018 - 04:59 am

jbamberg wrote:

ThreeFingersOfLove wrote:

Any news about VSig support for the new H9000? Or maybe some other platform where we can build or modify presets?

Hi ThreeFingersOfLove,

We are working on a version of VSig that will work with the H9000.  We hope to have it ready for public beta when we start shipping the hardware.

 

will this new version of Vsig work for the H8000fw as well?

...i would love to see the Vsig with new modules that will work for the H8000fw!

 

Thank you!

hamidoo
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Converter

January 06, 2018 - 10:24 am

hello dear eventide Folks ,

was wondering if you could comment a little on what to expect from the converters of the H9000 ?

can we expect someting sonically similar to the H 8000 ?

it would really helpful to find out , 

 

many thanks 

 

 

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hamidoo wrote:

January 06, 2018 - 11:38 am

hamidoo wrote:

was wondering if you could comment a little on what to expect from the converters of the H9000 ?

The D/A has similar performance to that of the H8000, the A/D is quite a bit better.

 

jbamberg
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NikosGuitar wrote:

January 08, 2018 - 10:12 am

NikosGuitar wrote:

will this new version of Vsig work for the H8000fw as well?

...i would love to see the Vsig with new modules that will work for the H8000fw!

 

Thank you!

Hi NikosGuitar,

It's unlikely that we will be able to support both the H9000 and the H8000FW in this version of Vsig.  We have ported the existing modules to the new ARM architecture, but it would be a herculean task to back-port the new modules to the H8000FW DSP architecture.  Are there any specific modules you are interested in?

 

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jbamberg wrote:

January 08, 2018 - 10:43 am

jbamberg wrote:

NikosGuitar wrote:

will this new version of Vsig work for the H8000fw as well?

...i would love to see the Vsig with new modules that will work for the H8000fw!

 

Thank you!

Hi NikosGuitar,

It's unlikely that we will be able to support both the H9000 and the H8000FW in this version of Vsig.  We have ported the existing modules to the new ARM architecture, but it would be a herculean task to back-port the new modules to the H8000FW DSP architecture.  Are there any specific modules you are interested in?

 

Does this mean that H8000 backwards compatiblity is completely of the question in general or it just won't be supported in "this" version of Vsig?

jbamberg
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NikosGuitar wrote:

January 08, 2018 - 12:10 pm

NikosGuitar wrote:

Does this mean that H8000 backwards compatiblity is completely of the question in general or it just won't be supported in "this" version of Vsig?

I think we will be able to continue to maintain a version of Vsig for the H8000FW, but its collection of modules may diverge from that offered in the H9000 (in particular, new modules may be available in the H9000 but not the H8000FW).  In other words, you might expect to have updates and bug fixes to Vsig itself, but not to the modules.

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Medoclou wrote:

January 13, 2018 - 07:02 am

Medoclou wrote:

Awesome news! I've been waiting years for this! :-)

I've got one request though: Please make it USB-C only (!). Everyone who can afford the H9000 will be able to buy a cable from C to A if needed.

It would be annoying to buy a new product with already outdated USB sockets.

Looking forward to the release!

Any comments on this?

 

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Medoclou wrote:

January 13, 2018 - 12:04 pm

Medoclou wrote:

Awesome news! I've been waiting years for this! :-)

I've got one request though: Please make it USB-C only (!). Everyone who can afford the H9000 will be able to buy a cable from C to A if needed.

It would be annoying to buy a new product with already outdated USB sockets.

Looking forward to the release!

Any comments on this?

You will be annoyed. The H9K has been a long time in development, and the hardware decisions were made before USB-C was widely available.

On the plus side, it has multichannel USB audio.

 

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I won't be annoyed.  None of

January 13, 2018 - 06:29 pm

I won't be annoyed.  None of my gear has USB-C. cool

Medoclou
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nickrose wrote:

January 14, 2018 - 01:26 pm

nickrose wrote:

Medoclou wrote:

Awesome news! I've been waiting years for this! :-)

I've got one request though: Please make it USB-C only (!). Everyone who can afford the H9000 will be able to buy a cable from C to A if needed.

It would be annoying to buy a new product with already outdated USB sockets.

Looking forward to the release!

Any comments on this?

You will be annoyed. The H9K has been a long time in development, and the hardware decisions were made before USB-C was widely available.

On the plus side, it has multichannel USB audio.

 

Too bad, thank you for the answer anyway! 

drrd
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January 16, 2018 - 05:31 am

Hello. I have a question about the new H9000's ARM processors and ported algorithms. Eventide have been clear in the past that the H7600/8000 were fully 'fixed point' processing input to output. Does this change at all with the H9000? Does this new hardware/software change mean a change to floating point? Thanks

jbamberg
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drrd wrote:

January 16, 2018 - 11:32 am

drrd wrote:

Hello. I have a question about the new H9000's ARM processors and ported algorithms. Eventide have been clear in the past that the H7600/8000 were fully 'fixed point' processing input to output. Does this change at all with the H9000? Does this new hardware/software change mean a change to floating point? Thanks

That's correct - we have ported our DSP code to floating point for the new platform.

drrd
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jbamberg wrote:

January 16, 2018 - 11:46 am

jbamberg wrote:

drrd wrote:

Hello. I have a question about the new H9000's ARM processors and ported algorithms. Eventide have been clear in the past that the H7600/8000 were fully 'fixed point' processing input to output. Does this change at all with the H9000? Does this new hardware/software change mean a change to floating point? Thanks

That's correct - we have ported our DSP code to floating point for the new platform.

Thanks for the quick reply but, eek, not the one I was hoping for. I shall keep an open mind/ear though.

 

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DSP power

January 18, 2018 - 04:32 am

How many ARM processors does the H9000 have?

How much more powerful are compared to a) the Motorola DSP in the H8000FW and b) current Sharc processors?

What were the factors that were evaluated by you guys at Eventide for chosing the one over other DSPs?

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ThreeFingersOfLove wrote:

January 18, 2018 - 06:25 am
ThreeFingersOfLove wrote:

How many ARM processors does the H9000 have?

Four quad core processors. Each core is powerful enough to run the algorithms that run on a single motorola dsp used in the H8000. In other words the H9000 can run 16 algorithms compared to 2 on an H8000.

ThreeFingersOfLove wrote:

How much more powerful are compared to a) the Motorola DSP in the H8000FW and b) current Sharc processors?

Not a simple question. DSPs are micros with a special architecture optimized to run signal processing routines. They were first introduced in the early 80s and all of our hardware processors have been DSP based until now. We have always anticipated that, one day, general purpose processors would advance in speed and functionality to be able to handle the kind of things that we need and love to do. Specialized processors like DSP chips are targeted at narrower markets, in the case of DSP mainly telecomm and the development tools tend to be more limited than the tools available to programmers of general purpose processors. Simply put, there are many many more developers writing code for general purpose processors like Intel and ARM than for any DSP chip. And, chip manufacturers have put much more investment in furthering the sheer speed and functionality of general purpose micros. We have been planning for the day that ARM chips would allow us to make the transition and that day has come.

ThreeFingersOfLove wrote:

What were the factors that were evaluated by you guys at Eventide for choosing the one over other DSPs?

Mainly the better, more advanced development tools. Quicker development of complicated algorithms, shorter learning curve for new developers. But also the simple fact that chip manufacturers are advancing the state of the art of general purpose processors much more rapidly than DSP. That's where the money is. For example, Freescale/NXP made a decision to stop development of new DSPs in favor of ARM because the sheer horsepower precludes the need for specialized architecture. We considered SHARC but determined general purpose is the future and, with the H9000 now running our complex algorithms on a single core of a quad device, the future is now. One further benefit of a DSP platform based on general purpose processors is the simple fact that third parties will find it easier to develop new algorithms for our platform. It's much easier to port a VST plugin, for example ,to an ARM than to a DSP chip.

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aagnello wrote:

January 18, 2018 - 07:27 am

aagnello wrote:

...Quicker development of complicated algorithms, shorter learning curve for new developers. But also the simple fact that chip manufacturers are advancing the state of the art of general purpose processors much more rapidly than DSP. That's where the money is. For example, Freescale/NXP made a decision to stop development of new DSPs in favor of ARM because the sheer horsepower precludes the need for specialized architecture. We considered SHARC but determined general purpose is the future and, with the H9000 now running our complex algorithms on a single core of a quad device, the future is now. One further benefit of a DSP platform based on general purpose processors is the simple fact that third parties will find it easier to develop new algorithms for our platform. It's much easier to port a VST plugin, for example ,to an ARM than to a DSP chip.

 

Great info!

Do you have a release date on this yet? I'm keen on the blank faceplate version... :)

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Thanks a lot for the swift

January 18, 2018 - 07:37 am

Thanks a lot for the swift and detailed response.

Does that mean that as ARM processors evolve, new/faster ones will be able to be installed in the H9000? Sounds like a very open system to me! In any case, I hope everything works out with Eventide's decision regarding the processors/architecture!

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AAgnello
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M-Goldie wrote:

January 18, 2018 - 08:12 am
M-Goldie wrote:

aagnello wrote:

...Quicker development of complicated algorithms, shorter learning curve for new developers. But also the simple fact that chip manufacturers are advancing the state of the art of general purpose processors much more rapidly than DSP. That's where the money is. For example, Freescale/NXP made a decision to stop development of new DSPs in favor of ARM because the sheer horsepower precludes the need for specialized architecture. We considered SHARC but determined general purpose is the future and, with the H9000 now running our complex algorithms on a single core of a quad device, the future is now. One further benefit of a DSP platform based on general purpose processors is the simple fact that third parties will find it easier to develop new algorithms for our platform. It's much easier to port a VST plugin, for example ,to an ARM than to a DSP chip.

 

Great info!

Do you have a release date on this yet? I'm keen on the blank faceplate version... :)

Fair question and I wish we could commit to a specific date. The remote control app is a lot of code and we've been working on it for quite a while. We'll go to beta with the Mac version first and it may not be feature complete at first. We had hoped to hit the date that we mentioned last year, March 31 but I fear it's likely to slip. We have a few people testing internally and we're focused on bug fixing/reliability. The H9000 firmware continues to be improved and optimized and that creates a bit of a 'moving target' situation.

jbamberg
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ThreeFingersOfLove wrote:

January 18, 2018 - 08:13 am

ThreeFingersOfLove wrote:

Does that mean that as ARM processors evolve, new/faster ones will be able to be installed in the H9000?

 

Yes, this is exactly what we were anticipating when we designed the DSP cards as plug-in modules.  We're planning to update them as more powerful ARM processors become available, giving H9000 users an upgrade path without having to replace the IO hardware, front panel, chassis, etc.

 

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AAgnello
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ThreeFingersOfLove wrote:

January 18, 2018 - 08:19 am
ThreeFingersOfLove wrote:

Thanks a lot for the swift and detailed response.

Does that mean that as ARM processors evolve, new/faster ones will be able to be installed in the H9000? Sounds like a very open system to me! In any case, I hope everything works out with Eventide's decision regarding the processors/architecture!

Absolutely. That's was a key consideration in migrating to ARM. The ARMs reside on four modules which gives us the option of upgrading (in the field) as newer chips become available. Don't hold your breathe in that regard however. While swapping modules is simple from a mechanical point of view migrating our optimized code to next gen ARMs will wait until the benefit justifies what will invariably be a lot of work. In other words, the goal was to design a platform that would be viable for the long term. FWIW, the H8000 is nearly 20 years old.

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As somone who did some sound

January 27, 2018 - 12:51 am

As somone who did some sound design and beta testing for the Orville (Andaman) I'm sort of silly-excited about the H9000. Looking through the algorithm list, I was delighted to see my programs have been moved forward onto this new platform.

I think that Eventide made the right choice moving onto a general purpose processor for a modern architecture that should last a good long while.

I do have some questions, though.

Is there still a sampling facility? Is the sample memory still the same?

When will the AVB expansion be released? And how much?

Will there be any early adoptor VSIG availability? If not, is there an ETA for it?

And the big question is when will the H9000 be available?

 

 

 

 

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One more question: is there

January 27, 2018 - 01:15 am

One more question: is there still monolithic capability? Is that even nescessary with the new processors?

jackmazzotti
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VSIg finally on the Mac?

February 10, 2018 - 01:46 pm

VSIg finally on the Mac?

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Will the H9000 have the same

February 10, 2018 - 02:00 pm

Will the H9000 have the same cool eclipse amps with feedback controllable via expression pedal?

tmoravan
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cbm wrote:

February 19, 2018 - 08:41 am

cbm wrote:

One more question: is there still monolithic capability? Is that even nescessary with the new processors?

 

To follow up -- Some of the algorithms on the H8000 run at 48k (using 1 DSP) or 96k (using both DSPs).

Will the H9000 be able to run the 96k versions using 1, 2, or n DSPs?  The reason for asking is I've seen rumors that the H9000 will only be supporting the 48k versions and rather than continue speculation, I'd rather hear the answer direct before selling my H8000's.

thanks,

Tom

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AAgnello wrote:

February 19, 2018 - 08:45 am

AAgnello wrote:

We're working on making that possible. We've created a system to confirm that the H8000 presets behave and sound the same when running on the H9000. So far, the majority test OK but there are still some that need work. The challenge comes from the fact that the H8000 is based on a fixed point DSP chip while the H9000 is ARM based. The H9000 is still a work-in-progress.

 

As part of your evaluation and porting, are you fixing bugs in the original H8000 programs as you come across them?  (I know for example the vocoders are pretty much broken and looking through the H8000 threads you'll find other examples of presets that just don't work as intended).

 

thanks

jbamberg
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tmoravan wrote:

February 19, 2018 - 11:16 am

tmoravan wrote:

As part of your evaluation and porting, are you fixing bugs in the original H8000 programs as you come across them?  (I know for example the vocoders are pretty much broken and looking through the H8000 threads you'll find other examples of presets that just don't work as intended).

We're fixing bugs in the algorithms as we find them and those fixes will be released with the H9000 system software, but we can't promise to back-port the fixes to the H8000.  It's a good suggestion to revisit the H8000 threads to see what's not working right - we'll definitely take a look.

 

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jbamberg wrote:

February 19, 2018 - 05:59 pm

jbamberg wrote:

tmoravan wrote:

As part of your evaluation and porting, are you fixing bugs in the original H8000 programs as you come across them?  (I know for example the vocoders are pretty much broken and looking through the H8000 threads you'll find other examples of presets that just don't work as intended).

We're fixing bugs in the algorithms as we find them and those fixes will be released with the H9000 system software, but we can't promise to back-port the fixes to the H8000.  It's a good suggestion to revisit the H8000 threads to see what's not working right - we'll definitely take a look.

 

 

Good news.  I don't expect fixes to be backported - all the energy is about moving forward at this point.

I do think it would be a missed opportunity if you guys ended up porting the bugs unfixed as well; that's why I mentioned it.  Might as well put your best face forward with the new release.

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From the manual:

February 19, 2018 - 10:03 pm

From the manual:

Configuring the Audio Input/Output of your FX Chain

Note: You cannot select an Output that has been previously assigned to another FX Chain.

 

Does this mean that there's no way to route all input channels through different FX chains and mix to a stereo pair within the unit?

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bdmulvey wrote:

February 20, 2018 - 06:47 am

bdmulvey wrote:

Does this mean that there's no way to route all input channels through different FX chains and mix to a stereo pair within the unit?

Yes, that's currently the case.  There's currently no mixing functionality for mixing the output of the FX Chains.  

However, we do think we should be able to add that in the future as a software update.  If that functionality is important to you, let us know about it...

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Sample Memory

February 20, 2018 - 04:43 pm

I'm still interested in knowing if there will still be the sampling memory in the H9000. It's been useful for looper patches, as well as "flying in" a part on my Orville.

jbamberg
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cbm wrote:

February 20, 2018 - 04:56 pm

cbm wrote:

I'm still interested in knowing if there will still be the sampling memory in the H9000. It's been useful for looper patches, as well as "flying in" a part on my Orville.

At first release, we'll have the Looper algorithm available, but we won't have the sampler algorithms from the H8000.  We made the decision that the large effort of porting that code was not worth it.   However, there's more interest in this than we expected (see https://www.eventideaudio.com/comment/32192#comment-32192) so we are considering it.

 

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gkellum wrote:

February 20, 2018 - 06:58 pm

gkellum wrote:

bdmulvey wrote:

Does this mean that there's no way to route all input channels through different FX chains and mix to a stereo pair within the unit?

I'm sort of surprised this capability isn't there already. I would certainly like to see it.

Yes, that's currently the case.  There's currently no mixing functionality for mixing the output of the FX Chains.  

However, we do think we should be able to add that in the future as a software update.  If that functionality is important to you, let us know about it...