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jayjacque
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2 H9's or just 1 Maxed?

jayjacque
August 24, 2019 - 07:10 pm

Hey all, new H9 owner here. In fact I've got 2. A month ago I had none. Went for a used standard to begin with. It was a test run of sorts. Thought if I liked it, I'd probably end up buying 2 or 3 more algorithms. Well, long story short, I found plenty enough to like. Started thinking I may want for 5 or 6 more algorithms. Then saw a good deal on a used Max on ebay, so I went for that. Put the standard up for sale. But before I get too desperate to sell the standard, wanted to hear from some of you guys or girls swearing by having 2 or more of these things. I know the technicalities of 2 units means you get 2 maxed out units and can use several algorithms at a time. I have other pedals which I could always combine with the H9 for multiple effects as well. Just wanted to hear from others with practical experience over period of time, is 2 better than one in actual live use? And with 2 or more, did it make a lot of your other pedals unnecessary?

benriddell
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benriddell
August 25, 2019 - 06:52 am

I only play at home for fun but since having two H9's and an Amplifire 3 I've got rid of all my delay/reverb/modulation stompboxes. It all depends on if the Eventide "sound" is the one you want as other brands have their own take on the effects.

jayjacque
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jayjacque
August 25, 2019 - 09:17 am

That's funny because I've also got an Amplifire A-3. I'm only a few weeks into the whole H9 experience but on the one board where I have the Amplifire I just put the H9 in the chain after it, and it sounded all muddy (I think I even tried it in Amplifire's send and return loop but still muddy), so I put the H9 on my smaller board instead, where's there's mostly just a couple drives. How do you use H9 and Amplifire together?

benriddell
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benriddell
August 25, 2019 - 01:59 pm

I've got both of my H9's in the Amplifire effects loop in mono (only because I have one Laney FRFR otherwise it'd be stereo) and a Dunlop mini Wah and Boss tuner in front of the Amplifire with a Boss NS2 Noise Suppressor in a wiring that reduces noise in front and in the loop (and acts as a master bypass).

I used to have a Marshall half stack and never liked how the pre/post functionality worked so run the Eventide as normal effect pedals. The Amplifire allows you to move the effects loop per preset in front of the amp block if you want to use a fuzz tone or a phase tone into a cranked "amp" or between the amp & cab block when using delay/modulation/reverb so I think that is more versitile.

I'm not sure why yours have a "muddy" sound as mine seem fine. You might want to ask for some advice on the Atomic forum as you might need to tweak a setting in your presets

 

 

benriddell
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benriddell
August 25, 2019 - 02:01 pm

Thinking about it, I've noticed that when creating a Amplifire preset on the pedal (at the computer editor) sometimes actives the wah block and won't let you deactive it without using the editor.

That could be a cause for your "muddy" sound. It's worth a scan on the editor

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skywriter
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skywriter
August 26, 2019 - 03:51 pm

Since you only ever have to buy only one MAX, getting a 2nd CORE - which will be a MAX too! - was the best way, in my mind, to drop the rest of my discrete effects. Also, I avoid the inevitable re-recording of all the guitar effects with rack mount Eventide effects (H3000, GTR4000, H8000FW) by having live H9’s setup during the tracking. With enough attention I rarely feel the need to re-record the effects unless it’s for fine tuning some aspect of effects mix/intensity.

Before Eventide came out with multieffects (Spacetime, Pitchfuzz, and Harmdillo to date), I found uses for up to 5 pedals - the max. Now, I use three in the studio, and two in my practice space. I could sell a couple without discomfort - but who can give up the potential of FIVE MAXS!!

Five liquid choruses sounds sublimely liquid. Or ten micro pitch delays... it’s leaves the speakers literally gooey. :-)

camn
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camn
August 26, 2019 - 05:03 pm

I always WANTED to need two.. but I got by with an extra pedal for reverb. Thats usually the only 2nd algo I need. 

 

Other than dirt, of course. I have 5 gain stages.

jayjacque
Joined: Jul 31 2019
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jayjacque
August 26, 2019 - 10:55 pm

Thanks for the great replies. Gives me food for thought. Think I might try working with 2 for awhile and see what kind of mischief I can get into

jayjacque
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jayjacque
August 27, 2019 - 08:10 am

skywriter wrote:

Since you only ever have to buy only one MAX, getting a 2nd CORE - which will be a MAX too! - was the best way, in my mind, to drop the rest of my discrete effects. Also, I avoid the inevitable re-recording of all the guitar effects with rack mount Eventide effects (H3000, GTR4000, H8000FW) by having live H9’s setup during the tracking. With enough attention I rarely feel the need to re-record the effects unless it’s for fine tuning some aspect of effects mix/intensity. Before Eventide came out with multieffects (Spacetime, Pitchfuzz, and Harmdillo to date), I found uses for up to 5 pedals - the max. Now, I use three in the studio, and two in my practice space. I could sell a couple without discomfort - but who can give up the potential of FIVE MAXS!! Five liquid choruses sounds sublimely liquid. Or ten micro pitch delays... it’s leaves the speakers literally gooey. :-)

Multiples of the very same presets? I gotta try that!

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brock
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brock
August 27, 2019 - 10:56 am

skywriter wrote:

... Before Eventide came out with multieffects (Spacetime, Pitchfuzz, and Harmdillo to date), I found uses for up to 5 pedals - the max. Now, I use three in the studio, and two in my practice space. I could sell a couple without discomfort - but who can give up the potential of FIVE MAXS!! Five liquid choruses sounds sublimely liquid. Or ten micro pitch delays... it’s leaves the speakers literally gooey. :-)

That brings up some pretty good additional points.  Learn one; learn both.  The same global configurations.  Similar parameters layouts.  And the ability to create your own 'mega-algorithms':  Two dissimilar algorithms that sum up to create a feature set extending well beyond either single component algo.  Four harmonies with delay feedback.  Panning phasers.  Dual series delays.  Scale contrained trills.  The list goes on ...

jayjacque
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jayjacque
August 29, 2019 - 08:09 am

brock wrote:

skywriter wrote:

... Before Eventide came out with multieffects (Spacetime, Pitchfuzz, and Harmdillo to date), I found uses for up to 5 pedals - the max. Now, I use three in the studio, and two in my practice space. I could sell a couple without discomfort - but who can give up the potential of FIVE MAXS!! Five liquid choruses sounds sublimely liquid. Or ten micro pitch delays... it’s leaves the speakers literally gooey. :-)

That brings up some pretty good additional points.  Learn one; learn both.  The same global configurations.  Similar parameters layouts.  And the ability to create your own 'mega-algorithms':  Two dissimilar algorithms that sum up to create a feature set extending well beyond either single component algo.  Four harmonies with delay feedback.  Panning phasers.  Dual series delays.  Scale contrained trills.  The list goes on ...

 

I've noticed you've done a lot of that in creating experimental complex presets. Do you use many of them in live use?  You've created so many oddball things via deep diving, is it because of the kind of music you play? Even with midi, how do you keep track of so many of them in order to have just the right preset needed in each situation? 

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brock
August 30, 2019 - 09:06 am

jayjacque wrote:

I've noticed you've done a lot of that in creating experimental complex presets. Do you use many of them in live use?

It'd be kind of boring to just rehash the basics, wouldn't it?  I have many bog-standard presets that I use for cover bands & such.  They're usually multi-purpose; easily adjustable with aux/HotSwitch, expression pedal and/or MIDI CC.  I fly in Preset Lists in to suit the situation.  Lots of emulations of classic FX.

jayjacque wrote:

You've created so many oddball things via deep diving, is it because of the kind of music you play?

My solo & at-home stuff is more 'out there'.  But most of the crazier configurations come from solving a particular problem.  Some type of request for a unique sound from clients or friends at my home studio.  Usually any kind of Preset List that I upload for the forum here is the result of me learning (or revisiting) a new algorithm.  "Hey, here are some things I found out that I'd like to share.  Adapt it & tear it up."

jayjacque wrote:

Even with midi, how do you keep track of so many of them in order to have just the right preset needed in each situation?

Not much more pre-planning than a set list.  I embraced MIDI control long ago.  Master MIDI Clock, separate MIDI switching & expression array.  I use the same MIDI Channel scheme to each effect (plus one Channel may be assigned to a basic chain of effects).  Synths have their own Channels.  I still run Thru an ancient FCB 1010 - 10 banks of 10 switches each.  I try to keep the Program Change messages in the same logical sequence.  Step on a switch; everything reconfigures.  i have a few (whole) banks of 10 switches that actually 'play' the effects.

 

As an aside, though, my reply above was more focused on practical applications.  For example, QuadraVox has four scaled harmonies, but a single delay.  So add a 2nd H9 Digital Delay for the feedback.  I run two amps live, so syncing Phaser & TremoloPan mixes nicely in-the-air.  I plan to post something here about using 2 (or more) H9s in a simple series / parallel / series config.  You can create many new effects, and still run to a single amp.