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studiodc
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January 18, 2019 - 08:36 pm

Hey Eventide, please get Knobs on YouTube to do a demo of this pedal! I can't say I love the visuals, but I really *do* love the idea of a hybrid digital/analogue bucket brigade delay!

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January 30, 2019 - 03:13 am

This one looks like an expanded Lexicon Prime Time /PCM 42, vintage EHX 16 Second Delay.
It’s got the most important features of the DDL-500 so it is a dream come true.
I’ll be getting one sooner or later without a doubt.
That said, I’m hoping for an “all black edition” or something like that.
I suppose there’s some sort of compander in the delay path, am I wrong? Perhaps some limiting? Soft sat? Or any type of saturation is possible cranking the feedback? May be the LPF gets dirty when doing so?
It’s a promesing all purpose/no limits modulated DDL, including degenerative looper, variable sample rate style fx machine (pitch shifting, square modulation etc), clean and dirty delays, envelope flanging/combs, true vibrato, vinyl/tape warp, accel&stop fx...

I’m only going to miss a feedback fx loop. I’ve seen it in analog delays, which is a bit nonsense to me, but in a long digital delay with analog feedback, that’s a dream feature I’ve used to achieve many tricks in digital patchtable units. Specially since you can bypass those fx and apply them subtly, only in certain moments, etc.

I also wonder whether the Tap Tempo allows for long times so you can use it to tap the start and end of a loop. Then switch between Hold and regular feedback to achieve degradation at will.

This Rose evoques Eno/Lanois, Fripp, David Torn, Radiohead and many more to me.

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January 30, 2019 - 05:20 pm

javiceres wrote:

This one looks like an expanded Lexicon Prime Time /PCM 42, vintage EHX 16 Second Delay. It’s got the most important features of the DDL-500 so it is a dream come true. I’ll be getting one sooner or later without a doubt. That said, I’m hoping for an “all black edition” or something like that. I suppose there’s some sort of compander in the delay path, am I wrong? Perhaps some limiting? Soft sat? Or any type of saturation is possible cranking the feedback? May be the LPF gets dirty when doing so? It’s a promesing all purpose/no limits modulated DDL, including degenerative looper, variable sample rate style fx machine (pitch shifting, square modulation etc), clean and dirty delays, envelope flanging/combs, true vibrato, vinyl/tape warp, accel&stop fx... I’m only going to miss a feedback fx loop. I’ve seen it in analog delays, which is a bit nonsense to me, but in a long digital delay with analog feedback, that’s a dream feature I’ve used to achieve many tricks in digital patchtable units. Specially since you can bypass those fx and apply them subtly, only in certain moments, etc. I also wonder whether the Tap Tempo allows for long times so you can use it to tap the start and end of a loop. Then switch between Hold and regular feedback to achieve degradation at will. This Rose evoques Eno/Lanois, Fripp, David Torn, Radiohead and many more to me.

Sorry, I meant to get back at you in the GearPage thread, but will here as well.  There's a soft sat after the feedback mix that makes things get nicely dirty as you hit the input/feedback harder. 

Re. Tap Tempo, that's a good idea.  I'm not sure what the current timeout is for the tap tempo, but we can definitely consider extending it to phrase length (again, if possible)

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January 31, 2019 - 11:24 am
tstern wrote:

javiceres wrote:

This one looks like an expanded Lexicon Prime Time /PCM 42, vintage EHX 16 Second Delay. It’s got the most important features of the DDL-500 so it is a dream come true. I’ll be getting one sooner or later without a doubt. That said, I’m hoping for an “all black edition” or something like that. I suppose there’s some sort of compander in the delay path, am I wrong? Perhaps some limiting? Soft sat? Or any type of saturation is possible cranking the feedback? May be the LPF gets dirty when doing so[...]

Sorry, I meant to get back at you in the GearPage thread, but will here as well.  There's a soft sat after the feedback mix that makes things get nicely dirty as you hit the input/feedback harder. 

Re. Tap Tempo, that's a good idea.  I'm not sure what the current timeout is for the tap tempo, but we can definitely consider extending it to phrase length (again, if possible)

Thanks a lot for your promp answer!!

I’ll most def get one very soon!!

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February 02, 2019 - 09:36 am

Seems like a really cool pedal!!
Only 5 presets (10 with AB) is very little for a pedal with so many options.

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February 05, 2019 - 02:02 am
Bodde wrote:

Seems like a really cool pedal!!
Only 5 presets (10 with AB) is very little for a pedal with so many options.

If anything I think a separated MIDI input (may be the USB?) could take care of that, and then some more, like MIDI clock sync, specially since it doesn’t have a readout for tempo info.

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February 06, 2019 - 12:49 pm

Tim, any chance of an aux + exp mode similar to the H9’s in a future update? I can easily see that you’d want instant access to, for example, Infinite Repeat and Mod Hold while still being able to dial in feedback with a pedal.

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February 07, 2019 - 11:15 am

coirbidh_99 wrote:

Tim, any chance of an aux + exp mode similar to the H9’s in a future update? I can easily see that you’d want instant access to, for example, Infinite Repeat and Mod Hold while still being able to dial in feedback with a pedal.

 

We're not doing that for the initial release, but it's not impossible that we could add that in the future.  There are a few issues related to the UI that make this more difficult than on a pedal that has a display (like the H9), and for the moment we'd rather have the features we have work really well than add more to the pile.

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February 07, 2019 - 07:56 pm
tstern wrote:

coirbidh_99 wrote:

Tim, any chance of an aux + exp mode similar to the H9’s in a future update? I can easily see that you’d want instant access to, for example, Infinite Repeat and Mod Hold while still being able to dial in feedback with a pedal.

 

We're not doing that for the initial release, but it's not impossible that we could add that in the future.  There are a few issues related to the UI that make this more difficult than on a pedal that has a display (like the H9), and for the moment we'd rather have the features we have work really well than add more to the pile.

Yeah, it’s way too late in the game for this to get consideration as a release-day feature. Thanks!

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March 18, 2019 - 02:54 pm

timsternfeld (on TGP) wrote:

Hey guys,

I'm happy to say that we shipped Roses to all standing preorders on Friday, so those who preordered should be getting them any day now. 

We're going to spend this week shipping out as many units as we can to the distribution channel (and hopefully any further orders that come in through the website as well ;)) so you should start seeing them available for order/purchase soon (I'm not as familiar with the timing of that end of the business).

So, it's on.  I'd be curious to hear any impressions from the early-adopter crowd.  Sure looks interesting to me; taking the time to look beyond the bare parameter list.  Lots of potential in that flowchart & control breakdown.

https://www.eventideaudio.com/products/stompboxes/delay/rose

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March 28, 2019 - 10:09 am

Here's one that I hadn't seen before, with some new tidbits of information (for me).  I like the way that Christian walks through some of the processes, in a visual format.  He also previews some Factory presets.

https://youtu.be/4N2EN7A8CTA?t=14

yoshiro446
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June 03, 2019 - 02:03 am

Is there an AD / DA converter in the yellow line part (original signal)?

 

 

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June 03, 2019 - 08:14 pm

yoshiro446 wrote:

Is there an AD / DA converter in the yellow line part (original signal)?

Eventide can give you the definitive answer here.  But the default setting [Buffered] implies an AD / DA conversion.  The Relay option indicates straight-thru dry, with Input Kill being your third choice.

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AAgnello
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June 03, 2019 - 10:21 pm
yoshiro446 wrote:

Is there an AD / DA converter in the yellow line part (original signal)?

 

 

No. That’s an analog path. Converters are in the ‘delay’ box in the block diagram.

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June 04, 2019 - 12:49 am

brock wrote:

yoshiro446 wrote:

Is there an AD / DA converter in the yellow line part (original signal)?

Eventide can give you the definitive answer here.  But the default setting [Buffered] implies an AD / DA conversion.  The Relay option indicates straight-thru dry, with Input Kill being your third choice.

Thank you for the explanation !!

yoshiro446
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June 04, 2019 - 12:51 am

AAgnello wrote:
yoshiro446 wrote:

Is there an AD / DA converter in the yellow line part (original signal)?

 

 

No. That’s an analog path. Converters are in the ‘delay’ box in the block diagram.

 

Thank you !! I understood !!

The guitar signal (dry signal) is not converted to digital, and mixed with the delay sound (wet signal) and output !!

 

I look forward to the release in Japan !!

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June 14, 2019 - 04:20 pm

brock wrote:

I'd be curious to hear any impressions from the early-adopter crowd.

Assuming some Rose units have been bought and shipped by now.  Any comments, feedback, critiques, snarky remarks?  wink

tofudoom
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June 14, 2019 - 06:48 pm

I have a question about the power requirements for the Rose. Would there be any issues powering it with a 450 MA outlet? I know the included PSU is 500 MA, just wondering if the Rose needs the full 500, or if 450 would suffice. Thanks!

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June 19, 2019 - 08:31 pm

tofudoom wrote:

I have a question about the power requirements for the Rose. Would there be any issues powering it with a 450 MA outlet? I know the included PSU is 500 MA, just wondering if the Rose needs the full 500, or if 450 would suffice. Thanks!

Should be OK. We like to play safe with power supply ratings, in the interests of dependability.