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August 12, 2013 - 03:08 pm
I wanted to restart the 'H9 Wish List' thread with the original post from coirbidh_99.  Now that the H9 is out and some of you have one, what would you like to see next for it in terms of algorithms or features?  Some people have been asking for Android support for instance.  The original post from coirbidh_99 follows below.
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August 12, 2013 - 03:09 pm

Now that we've seen the basic specs of the H9, let's talk about what we might like to see emerging from Eventide to expand it after release.  Given that the existing Factor pedal algorithms will all (yes?) be available for download, what else would you like to see coming to the H9?

Some initial thoughts on my end:

-More/expanded looping algorithms.  I've said it before, but it bears repeating: the TimeFactor looping algorithm is already one of the best feature sets available in a pedal looper.  Having said that, I think there are things that would improve it: Reverse loop.  More looping time.  A Multiply feature, so that short initial loops can be overdubbed with longer phrases.  Undo/redo.  REVERSE.  Implementing these features, given the H9's form factor and interface design, would probably require MIDI controls, but I think that's OK: one of the beauties of the H9 model is that players who aren't interested in the algorithm or don't have the right extra gear to use it can simply pass on buying it.

There are also other looping implementations that could work with the existing controls that would provide very interesting results.  Take a look at the Hexe Revolver demo videos and imagine an algorithm for the H9 that could implement those controls.

-Expanded real-time interface.  I understand why you'd lead with an iOS interface that mimics the Factor pedals: it's familiar to players, it puts everything up-front for easy manipulation, and it's easy to write.  But why stop there?  One of the great things about having an app is that you can deploy multiple interfaces at the user's discretion.  What about expanding the ribbon control into an X/Y pad that would permit Kaoss Pad-style manipulation of two parameters simultaneously?  Maybe a sketching surface to draw modulation waveforms?  Or a soft version of the new EHX 8 Step Process to allow a preset to sequence expression pedal values using onscreen faders?  We're already outside the pedal box - let's think while we're out there!

Don Grosh
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August 15, 2013 - 09:32 am

I've been using the H9 for the last two weeks, very cool pedal!! My only complaint is I wish it would have the option on the mix knob to be pre effect instead of post effect. This way when using an expression pedal the delays and reverbs trails would not be cut off when backing off the mix.
-Don
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Don Grosh
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August 15, 2013 - 09:34 am

I've been using the H9 for the last two weeks, very cool pedal!! My only complaint is I wish it would have the option on the mix knob to be pre effect instead of post effect. This way when using an expression pedal the delays and reverbs trails would not be cut off when backing off the mix.
-Don
www.groshguitars.com 

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August 26, 2013 - 07:21 pm

Bundle pricing for algorithms would be cool, say you wanted all the TimeFactor algorithms or artist bundle promos ...say get Vernon Reid bundle of his favourite algorithms as a promo.

cgclepper
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August 27, 2013 - 12:45 pm

I've filed a couple of requests with support (thanks Jerome!) but here are a few things for the iOS app:

1) Manual entry of Tempo.  The tap doesn't work so well for me on the iDevice.

2) On the iPhone, disable grab and drag (or whatever the Apple name is) and only switch between the pages using the little arrows.

3) Larger bounds for the knob controls on the iPhone to make it easier to grab the control.  Or double tap to lock in just that knob for adjustment.

The latter two are probably only iPhone issues, but as good as the H9 is, I'm not buying an iPad just for that!

For algorithms, I would like to see some Plex based ones.  Maybe just the high level controls for the multiple delay/pitch lines like the Eclipse.

Finally, let me design my own algos with an updated iOS version of vSig (I will buy an iPad for that)!  The DSP in the pedal is more powerful than the DSP7000, so it would be nice to have access a bit more of its power.

Thanks for being open to suggetiosn

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August 27, 2013 - 01:42 pm

cgclepper:

For algorithms, I would like to see some Plex based ones.  Maybe just the high level controls for the multiple delay/pitch lines like the Eclipse.

Finally, let me design my own algos with an updated iOS version of vSig (I will buy an iPad for that)!  The DSP in the pedal is more powerful than the DSP7000, so it would be nice to have access a bit more of its power.

Thanks for being open to suggetiosn

Agree, some Eclipse algorithms in the H9 would be cool... Even if the interface has to be dumbed down for the H9

designing own algorithms is a great idea, but I think it would have to be simpler than vsig IMHO.

ryan.veitch
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August 29, 2013 - 02:36 am

My H9 wishlist: 1) Pre/post feature like the Mobius, assignable per preset. With the stereo i/o it seems like this may be possible with a firmware update. 2) Android (and windows) app & algo store just like the app 3) Make it easier to change the name of the presets in the control software. I figured it out once by accident on the iOs amp, but forget how and should not be nearly a hidden feature. Simply double-clicking the name would nice. 4). Click-drag rearranging of presets. Maybe there is a way that I'm missing, but curently I have to locate the preset from al list and drop it in, which is much more inconvenient that just being able to rearranging them with the mouse. 5) Keep new algorithms AND presets coming. 6) Online preset sharing community and archive

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August 29, 2013 - 12:01 pm

Thanks for the suggestions.  

2) We are working on the Windows algo store at the moment.

3) Changing the name of the presets is under the More menu when a particular preset is selected, but I like your suggestion of double clicking on a preset to rename it.

4) We did intend to make that a feature but it hasn't made it in yet.  It certainly would make reordering presets easier.

5 & 6) We're working on it... 

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September 06, 2013 - 05:52 am

Must say, credit where credit is due.... The H9 Control App is really very good and I bet a lot of other manufacturers are watching! LOL

A few things I noticed that would be useful to have added...

Import of presets, I can't see a way of importing presets.

export of presets, I can only see email as an option on the iOS app, not in the mac (might have missed it)

entering the value rather than virtual knobs only.. Virtual knobs are great, but have found it difficult to enter exact values for say Delay Time... Trying to enter 374 would often give me 376 or 373 etc.

Cheers

Martin 

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September 06, 2013 - 11:09 am

Thanks for the feedback.  There's no easy way to import  or export presets currently in the desktop builds of H9 Control, but it's on the todo list.  When you export a preset though from an iOS device, its exported with the extension h9z;  it's really just a zip file, and if you rename the h9z extension to zip and unzip the file, you can just drop the preset into the area where H9 Control manages its presets, which on Mac is ~/Library/H9 Control/Presets.  Like I said though, we're going to make this easier.

With the regards to entering values with the keyboard, people were asking for this on thegearpage too.  We don't want to parse all of the possible text inputs to all of the fields, but parsing numbers is easy enough and from what I gather what people want is to be able to type in numeric values like delay times. So, I think what we're going to do is support typing in input values for the controls with numeric values.

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September 06, 2013 - 11:12 am

Excellant suggestions.  I would also like to be able to enter exact values, it would make a few things faster for me, but I might have  a trick to help.  If you hold (I believe) the ALT key while adjusting the virtual knob, it should let you adjust in fine increments.  Hope that helps!

Nerve
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September 09, 2013 - 02:17 am

String Modeler or sympathetic resonance reverb...

ryan.veitch
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September 09, 2013 - 11:10 am

I would love more in the way of synths.  The Synth String model on the line 6 m-series is the ONE thing I used and have not been able to replace adequately yet.

Makers
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September 09, 2013 - 12:38 pm

When talking about slicers I'd love something towards Livecut.

http://mdsp.smartelectronix.com/livecut/

Also anything granular/granulation.

How about a convolution algorithm with the ability to load user IR's?

Bzerk
Joined: Sep 12 2013
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September 12, 2013 - 04:29 am

Hi, I received my H9 yesterday, I would like to buy some pitch shifter algos but only have android phone and tablet. No windows or ios device here. So could me +1 for the android port...

Guillaume.

Poppy
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September 23, 2013 - 07:49 am

And why not an in-app on the Eventide Website ? With transferable Algo.

Seriously, I really don't care about Apple or Windows. They take 30% of each algo buyed. We cannot sell our H9 full of algo if one day we want to sell them (and of course we will, you know, technology...).

I'm working on a H9 Midi controller, (10knobs, 4switch) to have a H9 user friendly, and not this "connected" thing. When you are on stage, you are not with an iPad !

I don't understand the eventide decision around this product. It could be so cool but it's not handy and connected with iOs.

keithguitarfan
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October 12, 2013 - 04:27 pm

I just purchased the phaser algorithm for my H9 and a mix knob would be fantastic and is much needed. The effect is too strong when trying to duplicate the Van Halen 1 album sound. I was hoping to replace my EVH MXR Phaser on my pedalboard but I cant even get close to that sound without the mix control. I am open to any advice from you but I have messed with all the parameters and cant duplicate that effect. Also please create a distortion parameter. Your distortions in the Eclipse are amazing, some of the best and purest I have ever heard and would be great for the H9. 

Also I would like to request to become a Beta tester for the H9 firmware and algorhithms. I was previously a beta tester for Line 6 on their Variax, Line 6 Edit software and HD500 models and gave them lots of feedback on bugs and possible improvements in which they actually used a few of mine.

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October 12, 2013 - 04:46 pm

Have you tried adjusting the depth?  Most phasers (analog included) don't use a mix knob, the "mix" is instead often controlled by the depth of the effect. Hope that helps! Smile

alexone
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October 18, 2013 - 01:08 pm

I read you plan an android version of H9 control. What about windows phone?

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October 18, 2013 - 04:01 pm
alexone:

I read you plan an android version of H9 control. What about windows phone?

Windows phone hasn't really been on our radar.  I believe you're the first person who's asked us to support it.  It's still early for that platform, and I'm user it will pick up users as Nokia rolls out more devices running it.  If so, we'll probably do an evaluation of how hard it would be for us to support it, but at the moment we don't have any immediate plans to do so.

street_pete
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October 23, 2013 - 04:09 pm

Hi I just got myself the H9 and am really looking forward to using it live. A couple of suggestions for the wish list. 

1) It would be great to be able to select the tuner option in the RCV midi map settings in addition to the OFF BYP ACT and TOG options. 

2) If there was a option to have each effect either as stereo in/out or dual mono in/out that would be great for enabling different positioning of the H9 in the pedal chain. I think this has been mentioned before but would be brilliant in a mono set up. 

Love your work Eventide, keep it up!

Thanks

kypo
Joined: Sep 2 2010
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October 26, 2013 - 07:23 am

Congrats on the H9, its a great sounding unit. Inclusions: A looper (ala Time Factor) would be great. A univibe, and a sequenced tremolo like a lightfootlabs goatkeeper would be cool, also someone else mentioned a Addrenlynn styled sequencer which would be cool too. I previously owed the 4 factor pedals, and this is a great addition. Diggin' the software control, tho I do miss that tactile surface of the factor pedal knobs. Keep the alogarythms coming!

theryanpaul
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November 01, 2013 - 01:21 am

I would also love to beta test

i use this pedal every day and I would love to be on the cutting edge!

 keithguitarfan:

I just purchased the phaser algorithm for my H9 and a mix knob would be fantastic and is much needed. The effect is too strong when trying to duplicate the Van Halen 1 album sound. I was hoping to replace my EVH MXR Phaser on my pedalboard but I cant even get close to that sound without the mix control. I am open to any advice from you but I have messed with all the parameters and cant duplicate that effect. Also please create a distortion parameter. Your distortions in the Eclipse are amazing, some of the best and purest I have ever heard and would be great for the H9. 

Also I would like to request to become a Beta tester for the H9 firmware and algorhithms. I was previously a beta tester for Line 6 on their Variax, Line 6 Edit software and HD500 models and gave them lots of feedback on bugs and possible improvements in which they actually used a few of mine.

sdcol
Joined: Aug 9 2013
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November 05, 2013 - 02:49 am

would like to be able to store preset from both my h9 pedals to one preset slot on ipad like effects chain so do not have to switch between pedals

Thanks

clibbon
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November 06, 2013 - 01:06 am

If it hasn't been mentioned before, I need a more precise way to dial in the miliseconds on patches with delay settings.  It's pretty hard to dial in 463ms sometimes.

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November 12, 2013 - 09:09 am

I would buy the H9 just for a good Uni-Vibe algo alone.  Well, that and Rotary without having to buy the whole MF (sorry, that's the only sound I like from that one).  Distortion emulations would be an absolute blast!  Think Tube Drivers, RATs, DOD 250s and Blues Drivers.

That said, (and I know it's only been a couple months this thread has been around) any status update on any of these new algo requests?

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November 12, 2013 - 02:37 pm
marcusm750:

That said, (and I know it's only been a couple months this thread has been around) any status update on any of these new algo requests?

Well, as has been mentioned elsewhere on the forums, we're working on bringing the looper to H9: http://forum.eventide.com/cs/forums/t/8558.aspx  We also have something new being worked on that was requested in this thread, but it's too early to start talking about it what it is or when it's coming out though...

rdnzl
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November 15, 2013 - 01:50 am

Hi there

Could we have midi via usb and midi 5 pin at the same time ?

Kind Regards

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November 15, 2013 - 12:29 pm

rdnzl:

Could we have midi via usb and midi 5 pin at the same tim

Sorry - no. The hardware can only do one or the other.  You can use bluetooth at the same time as either USB or DIN5.

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December 01, 2013 - 11:25 am

marcusm750:

Distortion emulations would be an absolute blast!  Think Tube Drivers, RATs, DOD 250s and Blues Drivers.

Please disregard as incoherent ramblings from a momentary lapse of reason.

How on God's Green Earth I could forget Dynamic Distortion is beyond me (and I have regular access to a couple H3000s but have never used them for dirt).  Surely the H9 would be powerful enough to run either the original DD algo or the DD2 from the Eclipse.

I know the TF looper, slicers, bit crushers, a "real deal" Uni-Vibe and whatever other secrets percolating are already in line, but please add porting DD2 in its entirety to the Wish List.

rdnzl
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December 05, 2013 - 04:07 am

Hello

Please add the hot knob to the already existing 10 knobs controllable via aux switch.

Cherio

mrfett
Joined: Dec 11 2013
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December 18, 2013 - 09:37 am

I'd like to be able to have the encoder assigned to the hotswitch.

themoonshook
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December 26, 2013 - 02:19 pm

Wish -- Forced Feedback

The 'distortion preamp' algo in the Eclipse has this feature.  Is it possible to have a feedbacker as a stand alone algo in the H9?

cormallen
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January 04, 2014 - 05:19 am

I'd like to add another vote for bit reduction, glitch and other Geiger Counter type things.

Also, would it be possible to add EQ - perhaps a three band parametric - not as a separate algorithm, but as as an extra level of editing to all the existing algos?  (I'm not sure how much DSP power that would require, or how close to the limit the existing algo get, so it may not be possible).

Thanks,

Harry

NMillroy
Joined: Dec 1 2011
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January 04, 2014 - 09:34 am

A few things currently on my H9 wish list:

1. H9 Control User Guides (perhaps it's already available?) - On iPhone, how do I select parameters to be controlled by the hotknob and define the upper and lower values? Can this be defined per preset? I want this to be controlled via my midi expression pedal which I know works with my H9

2. Spillover

3. Pre/Post routing options

4. Concerning iPhone H9 control - I used a preset list within the "Lists" section which I uploaded to the pedal. I'd like to be able to edit the user presets that make up this list from within the "presets" section and for this to automatically update the preset list within "Lists" ready to be uploaded to the pedal. At the moment, the only way to update the pedal is to edit these presets from within the "Lists" section.

cormallen
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January 10, 2014 - 04:49 am

Would it be possible to have an option to make pressing the Big Knob go to the tuner?  I know pressing both footswitches does it, but I find it really fiddly trying to do that in a hurry on a dark stage.

(I know I could plug in an external footswitch to do it, but I have an expression pedal plugged in to that socket).

Harry

AmbientUser
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January 21, 2014 - 11:19 pm

Definitely Android support.  I refuse to buy anything Apple.

sergioxzen
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January 23, 2014 - 02:56 am

+1 for Android support! Or the ability to purchase algos from Windows or some other way without using Aple.
P.S. Thank you Eventide! Looks like H9 is really great pedal. Mine H9 is on the way to me, I am 99% shure that I will love it with first minute! Eventide is one of the best effects I've ever heard!

zazula
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January 24, 2014 - 01:40 pm

Hi -

I sent a few of these suggestions in via e-mail and just found this thread:

  1. Expression control of DSP Input mix.  This would allow cutting of the DSP input while letting an effect ring out.  Same as VolumePedal -> H9, but works in a serial effects loop.
  2. Ducker -> Reverb (preferably, Ducked Delay -> Reverb).  Duck the input to a reverb (the DynaVerb ducks the reverb output).
  3. Cloud sync of presets and preset lists between devices (my iPhone, iPad and Mac are littered with out of sync presets - and that is just after two days!)

If any of these can be done already, please let me know!

Nerve
Joined: Mar 21 2009
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January 26, 2014 - 09:17 pm

More Headroom.

rrinn
Joined: Oct 10 2013
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January 28, 2014 - 01:47 am

I want  Pre/Post routing options.

And I want EQ(Graphic , Parametric and Shelving) algorithm.

I think that Wah is like a very characteristic EQ,so H9 can do it!!

rrinn
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January 28, 2014 - 01:53 am

i want Pre/Ppst options.

and i want EQ(graphic , parametric and shelving) Algorithm.

i think WAH is like a very characteristic EQ,so H9 can do it!!

zazula
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January 28, 2014 - 03:33 am

A few more ideas:

- Option to have the end of the expression pedal range bypass / activate the preset (pedal @ 0 = bypass and/or pedal @ 100 = bypass)

This will help eliminate phasing issues when running in a parallel effects loop on some effects.

- Kill Dry setting per input

I'm trying to run two amps into the unit, but one has a parallel effects loop and the other serial.  So, the two inputs require different settings for kill dry

- Per-preset input select (AKA "twice as nice" mode)

Not quite EventideRoutingUtility, but close ;)  What if I want some presets before my amp and others after?  Why not route:  guitar -> input1 -> output1 -> amp input -> amp FX send -> input2 -> output2 -> amp FX return

I'm not thinking of running each input at the same time, but more of an either or in cases where some effects are better before or after the preamp.

For a parallel effects loop, I'd want KillDry for input 2 but not input 1.  You may say "buy an H9 core" and you may be right, but this seems like something that would be doable in a single unit.

It would be nice to have a global setting that helped as a failsafe against a feedback loop - basically put the pedal into "twice as nice" mode so it knows how it is wired, set a global kill dry for each input and then the preset just needs to know which input it should be reading from (unless you can think of an effect that would be OK to run both pre and post pre-amp?).

Thanks.

boynigel
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March 13, 2014 - 09:33 pm

regarding H9 Control-  i wish that while in "playlists" one could simply drag presets into  the order in which they want them to show up in.

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March 14, 2014 - 12:12 am
boynigel:

regarding H9 Control-  i wish that while in "playlists" one could simply drag presets into  the order in which they want them to show up in.

I'm not sure if I'm understanding you correctly, but on iPad, MacOSX, and Windows you can do this by pressing the "edit list" button and using the drag n drop functionality in that screen.

boynigel
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March 18, 2014 - 05:13 pm

here's my H9 wish-  regarding the direction in which the unit scrolls through the presets, how about having a visual confirmation as to the direction that the unit is currently set?  in other words if the unit is set to scroll UP, have the Z button continually flashing.  if the unit is set to scroll DOWN, have the X button do the same.  the achilles heel of the H9 is all the scrolling, let's face it.  this would make things a little easier. 

sometimes mid-performance i'll tap the encoder switch with my foot to prep for a preset change and i'm never 100% sure if i hit it hard enough to register the change as i'm afraid to hit it too hard and break it.  my above suggestion would offer immediate visual confirmation.

endru
Joined: Mar 18 2014
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March 18, 2014 - 07:50 pm

A glitching effect that randomizes the duration and repeats of effects similar to this Radiohead patch.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyKCwDJ7ZUc

pmp6668
Joined: Mar 24 2014
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March 24, 2014 - 08:18 pm

how about a global 'tap tempo on'? it seems you have to do this with each individual preset... if there is a global setting, I'm not seeing it.

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AAgnello
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March 24, 2014 - 08:31 pm

Global tempo is supported on all of our stompboxes. You can turn it on or off in system mode. For example see Page 22 of H9 user guide.

drew11roberts
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March 28, 2014 - 06:08 pm

I don't know if it has been mentioned yet, But I would like to have the ability to make my preset lists without having to be connected to the H9. It would help a lot to just be able to arrange my presets for an upcoming show and not have to be stuck next to my pedalboard. Then when I am ready I can just load that preset bundle.