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New Blackhole stompbox

wilkinsi
September 15, 2020 - 01:25 pm

Does this stompbox hold any advantage over the Blackhole plugin? Is there somewhere here I can download the stompbox's presets (e.g.: "Andromeda") and load it into my Blackhole plugin?

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davebrubaker
September 15, 2020 - 09:39 pm

I'd also love to know the answer to the first question. As for the second question, I'm guessing it's unlikely.

 

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wilkinsi
September 16, 2020 - 08:05 am

davebrubaker wrote:

I'd also love to know the answer to the first question. As for the second question, I'm guessing it's unlikely.

 

Well, you can export .tide presets made from the Blackhole algorithm on a Space stompbox to your computer, and import that into Blackhole plugin. I'll wait for one of the Eventide staff to chime in here.

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September 16, 2020 - 10:58 am

The plug-in and stompbox are different in that the plug-in does have an extended range on the Size knob that makes more sense in a production environment; it ranges from -10 to120 versus just 0--100, like the algorithm on Space, H9, and Blackhole. That negative range on the plug-in renders interesting comb filtering sounds that make more sense in a mix.

With regards to compatibility with Space/H9 and the Blackhole stompbox, the EDM application uses a different software format to the H9 Control preset format, so they're not directly compatible. We are working on adding the ability for our user community to share their presets interchangeably between the family of pedals.

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brock
September 16, 2020 - 11:50 am

The 2nd question is officially answered.  I think an enterprising individual (with both plugin & pedal) could mirror most of those presets easily enough.

Speculating somewhat, but I see real advantage to the dedicated FREEZE switch.  That puts FREEZE in two locations [switch + variable FEEDBACK positions, including INF & FREEZE].  ACTIVE switch momentary / latching is there.  Of course, there's the standard plugin vs. physical pedal pros & cons.

I'm sure I'm leaving something out here, but this is getting my brain cells burning.

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September 16, 2020 - 08:04 pm

The TL;DR case for a dedicated FREEZE switch: 

  • Short-Med GRAVITY no DELAY no FEEDBACK (normal reverb base tone)
  • Tap FREEZE switch - capture a drone + dry signal overlay
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  • Short-Med INV GRAVITY no DELAY no FEEDBACK (inverse reverb base tone)
  • Tap FREEZE switch - capture a fade-in + dry signal overlay
  •  
  • Deep INV or GRAVITY medium DELAY medium FEEDBACK ('verb within delay line base tone)
  • Tap FREEZE switch - capture thick layers @ delay length + dry signal overlay
  •  
  • XXX GRAVITY long DELAY high FEEDBACK (long decaying delay-'verb)
  • Tap FREEZE switch - capture a short phrase loop/'verb (-> 2 seconds) + dry signal overlay
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  • Short-medium-long FEEDBACK
  • Tap FREEZE switch (in & out) - FEEDBACK level sets the fadeout time from FREEZE (sw) + dry signal overlay to base settings
  •  
  • FEEDBACK = INF - For example, layer up complex chords from single notes.
  • Tap FREEZE switch - Chord FREEZE background + dry signal overlay
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  • FEEDBACK = FREEZE
  • Tap FREEZE switch - nothing.  There's no signal in the delay matrix to FREEZE.
  • I see the FREEZE switch overriding any other value in the FEEDBACK / INF / FREEZE knob.

Now consider adjusting any / all of the combinations above with an expression pedal + FREEZE switch.  And I haven't touched on the resonant EQ and modulation variations.  Or MIDI control.  I doubt I covered it all.

The short case for a momentary / latching action built in to the ACTIVE switch: 

  • Take any of the scenarios above (and more).  Momentary ACTIVE punches in the delay / 'verb settings.  A global BYPASS of DSP+FX should get the trails you're looking for out of this.  Other global BYPASS types will get you more of a gated, stutter effect.  Momentary ACTIVE can dynamically 'mix' into whatever 'verb and/or delay / loop you have set up.
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brock
September 18, 2020 - 12:03 pm

I don't know why I took the time to type all that.

Joe Cozzi has some incredible, in-depth tutorials up.  I've been tooling around with BlackHole's ancestors for decades, and I picked up some new perspective from these vids:

Eventide Blackhole Pedal Tutorial - Part 1: Knobs & Switches

https://youtu.be/EdvvirF5uOw

Blackhole Pedal Tutorial - Part 2: Rear Panel & System Settings

https://youtu.be/0xcWsiw3Wqc

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bohan
September 18, 2020 - 12:37 pm

Joe Cozzi did a really great job indeed