Logarithmic Frequency control of Phasers modules

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patchen
Joined: Apr 12 2019
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Logarithmic Frequency control of Phasers modules

patchen
October 27, 2020 - 08:10 pm

Hi there.  I'm hoping someone knows the answer to this.  I'd like to get a triangle LFO controlling the frequency of  a phaser so that from a psychoacoustic perspective it spends it's time evenly across the frequency spectrum.  The way the modules are currently setup, and the way seemingly all factory algorithms work is that if an LFO is sweeping the frequency it spends most of it's time in the higher frequencies and just does a quick  'bounce' in the lower frequencies. I've tried the 'Log' and 'Exp' modules but they didn't seem to help much.   

I hope this question makes sense. Put another way I want a swept frequency of a phaser  to hang out as much in the lower frequencies as it does in the higher frequencies. every combination of modules I've tried so far always seems to have the result of the sweep hanging out longer in the higher frequencies and only paying a quick visit to the lower frequencies.

Is there a reasonably easy way to throw some math modules at this that will solve the problem?

Many thanks,

Patchen 

patchen
Joined: Apr 12 2019
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patchen
October 28, 2020 - 12:26 pm

For what it's worth, I'm finding that the "Audio Taper" module is working fairly well for this, if not perfect. 

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wherman
Joined: Oct 24 2016
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wherman
October 28, 2020 - 04:28 pm

Hey Patchen,

The question definitely makes sense! This is a very common thing to want to do for a lot of modulation effects (flangers, choruses, etc). Another way of putting it could be that you want the phaser to spend an equal amount of time moving across each octave of the frequency range.

You're definitely on the right track with the audiotaper module. Another thing to consider is which module you're using for the filtering. If you haven't seen it already then I'd recommend using the phaseshift2 module. It's similar to the phaseshift module but it lets you specify frequency values instead of directly specifying the coefficient of the filter. If you use audiotaper and the phaseshift2 module then you should be able move the phaser equally across the octaves by setting the alpha value of audiotaper to the result of depth/polefreq of the phaseshift2 module.

For example if I had the polefreq set to 20.0Hz and the depth set to 2kHz on the phaseshift2 module I would set the alpha of audiotaper to 100. Connect a unipolar traingle wave to the input of the audiotaper and connect the output of audiotaper to the mod input of the phaseshift2 module and you should be good to go. Be sure to set the number of poles in the phaseshift2 module to a higher even number (6, 8, or 10) for a nice phasey effect. Or you can play around with having multiple phaseshift2 modules with different ranges. Each phaseshift2 module you use will need its own audtiotaper corresponding to each polefreq and depth combination.

Larger values of alpha will make it spend even more time on the low octaves and smaller values will make it spend less time at the low octaves.

Hope that helps.

~Woody

patchen
Joined: Apr 12 2019
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patchen
October 28, 2020 - 08:29 pm

Hey, thanks for all the info, Woody.  Funny enough 100 is exactly the value I arrived at for the audio taper module after some trial and error.

I'm having fun making VSig creations and look forward to what is to come! 

patchen
Joined: Apr 12 2019
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patchen
October 28, 2020 - 08:32 pm

FWIW I used several phaseshift2 modules in series so that I can 'tap' them and get a phaser with a selectable amount of poles.  Seems to work pretty well.