Knife drop setup midi and expression

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    • #190837
      distructoprime
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        I just got the knife drop and im trying to figure out how to switch between the presets and use an expression pedal too. Does anyone have this setup? Eventides YouTube short shows it but now how to connect it. I just want to order the right stuff for it and do it once.

         

        Thanks

      • #190845
        tbskoglund
        Keymaster
        Eventide Staff

          Hello,

          Sorry this is not possible. You must choose to have either an expression pedal, or an aux switch to change the presets. It cannot be both.

          If you use a MIDI controller, you can utilize both the preset switching and expression pedal control.

        • #190860
          distructoprime
          Participant

            I’m confused, how does it work in this video?

          • #190861
            tbskoglund
            Keymaster
            Eventide Staff

              This video demonstrates using the expression pedal connected to adjust a parameter, the aux switch is not being used.

              The expression pedal jack settings are described in the QRG here: https://cdn.eventideaudio.com/uploads/2024/10/Knife-Drop-QRG.pdf

              If you’d like to use the expression pedal and also change presets, you’ll need to use a MIDI controller. Let me know if you’d like any suggestions.

            • #190863
              distructoprime
              Participant

                Thanks for clarifying. Much appreciated. I’d love to know your suggestion of a MIDI controller. Especially for someone who has never used on. thanks!

              • #190864
                tbskoglund
                Keymaster
                Eventide Staff

                  You’re welcome.

                  Do you plan on using many guitar pedals that are MIDI capable? There are more complex controllers that can control everything on your board and act as the “brain” of your rig.

                  For a simple place to start, either of the two below would be a good choice for a small and effective controller:

                  https://www.morningstar.io/mc3

                  https://www.disasterareadesigns.com/shop/p/midi-baby-3

                  Both of these controllers have an expression pedal input, so you would connect the expression pedal to the MIDI controller, and then connect the MIDI controller to the Knife Drop. You can then map your parameters to the expression pedal, and use the footswitches to load up presets.

                  You could also program the controller to perform the other functions on the pedal, such as turning the octave effect on/off or bypassing the pedal. You may want to consider a MIDI controller with more than 3 footswitches if you plan on using the controller for more than just the preset selection.

                  I’d suggest looking on youtube for some tutorials of the above MIDI controllers to get a better idea of what they are capable of. There is a lot you can do with MIDI.

                • #190867
                  distructoprime
                  Participant

                    This is all very helpful, but also very eye-opening since it’s a new world to me. I really love the sounds of this pedal, so I’m going to explore it, but I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t daunted. Right now, I think it’s my only MIDI-capable pedal.

                  • #190939
                    distructoprime
                    Participant

                      Do you know how to configure the meidi baby 3 gen 4 to acend and decend the programs. i can make the pedal decend through the programs but i don’t know the syntax to reverse it back through the presets.

                      • #190946
                        tbskoglund
                        Keymaster
                        Eventide Staff

                          Sorry, I don’t have that information since I don’t own one of those controllers. You may contact Disaster Area support and they can help you there.

                          It looks like you want to send a PC message with “count and send” instead of a specific PC value, but this is just a guess on my part.

                           

                      • #190968
                        willamstock
                        Blocked

                          Knife drop setup supports MIDI and expression configure in settings

                        • #190969
                          distructoprime
                          Participant

                            with the help of the kind folks at Disaster Area I have it all working the way I want, utilizing a midi baby 3, here are the settings for posterity

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                          • #190971
                            brock
                            Participant

                              …help of the kind folks at Disaster Area…

                              They have excellent customer service.  Glad you got it up & working.  There’s a great deal that can be done with a MIDI Baby 3.  So much, that it can be difficult to sort through all of the parameters in the online editor.

                            • #190980
                              zeugmatom
                              Participant

                                Hi there !

                                I’m trying to incremant/decremant preset via the hotone ampero control, but it doesn’t have a “count and sent” mode. Does anyone knows how to do the same with momentary cc messages ?

                                Thanks !

                                • #190981
                                  tbskoglund
                                  Keymaster
                                  Eventide Staff

                                    Knife Drop will only change presets if it receives a Program Change message. A CC message will not change presets on Knife Drop, unless you use a device to convert CC to PC messages.

                                    I just had a quick look at the Ampero Control manual and do not see any information for PC increment/decrement messages. I would contact their support to get a better answer if this is possible.

                                • #190982
                                  brock
                                  Participant

                                    I’m thinking you could use ‘Inc + Load’ and ‘Dec + Load’ from the Global Mapping Chart (unless you just want them cued up)?

                                  • #190983
                                    zeugmatom
                                    Participant

                                      i saw this video with the hotone and the mx5 headrush, and i was wondering if i could do the same with the knife drop.

                                      • #190985
                                        tbskoglund
                                        Keymaster
                                        Eventide Staff

                                          It looks like the MIDI CCs are being used to load banks on the MX5, but I’m really not sure what is happening here as I am not familiar with these products.

                                          MIDI CC messages will not change presets on Knife Drop. The MIDI implementation on Knife Drop is very simple; PC messages will load the various presets, and CC messages will changes the parameter values.

                                          Please contact Hotone if you need assistance programming their products.

                                      • #190984
                                        brock
                                        Participant

                                          I’m thinking you could use ‘Inc + Load’ and ‘Dec + Load’ from the Global Mapping Chart (unless you just want them cued up)?

                                          My mistake.  Knife Drop question.

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