H90 Multiple Expression Pedal Mappings

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    • #192263
      Jason M Smith
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        Regarding the Q-wah preset, the Manual Mod parameter typically is brought under expression pedal control to function as a traditional wah.     I am noticing instances in other user programs when the Hot Knob P is used to mimic an expression pedal that other parameters are assigned to it such as Mod Rate, Depth, and Q-Sensitivity are also mapped to HK P and thus the expression pedal.

        What is the general line of thinking behind this?   Short of the obvious, what does the creator intend to mirror in the organic behavior of analog effects where these parameters are theoretically static or are they?

        I feel like I should disregard these multiple mappings and just map Manual Mod but I ultimately don’t want to sell the creators intention short    I just want to learn more about what’s happening and being recreated    Its interesting to me

        Thank you,

        Jason

      • #192267
        brock
        Participant

          … I am noticing instances in other user programs when the Hot Knob P is used to mimic an expression pedal that other parameters are assigned to it such as Mod Rate, Depth, and Q-Sensitivity are also mapped to HK P and thus the expression pedal.

          What is the general line of thinking behind this?…

          I can only speak to my own general philosophy behind this kind of programming approach:

          • Versatility (A):  Some end users might use an EXP pedal (floor-based); others strictly in a desktop scenario, or MIDI with no EXP.  I try to keep that in mind while building a Program.

           

          • Versatility (B): Some parameters mapped to a HotKnob, it also being mapped to an EXP, with another subset directly mapped to EXP.  That opens up options to reconfigure Programs differently, by hand or foot.

           

          • Specific to Manual Mod:  When available, I always map it to EXP (sometimes inverted).  The user may tweak the Shape to a Manual (mode), or a HotKnob may control adjusting the Shape.  EXP control will always be on-deck for Manual via EXP.

           

          • Hardware configurations:  It’s possible for users to hook up two EXP pedals, (1) 3x switch, (2) sets of 3x switches, MIDI, or no external control at all.  I try to cover any of those situations for some useful results.

          I haven’t seen where anyone else using two EXP pedals.  Personally, I’d be lost without them.  Either each EXP has a distinctly different effect over the Program, or EXP2 as a master (“fixed wah”) control over what EXP1 is doing.  My Programs reflect that approach.

          • Ease of Modification:  Every parameter mapping gets saved within a Program, whether it’s actively used or not.  So I map every control to something.  It may have MIDI CC control unused, for example.  But it’s a lot easier to re-map a parameter to say, EXP or AUX, than it is to configure it initially.

           

          • Mega-Mapping:  Yes, there are times when mapping an EXP to the Program HotKnob may also control the A and/or B HotKnobs by extension.  That opens up several avenues for adjustments, specific to one or the other Preset, the combined Program, or external hands-free control.

          There’s more, but I’m already running long & lost some readers.  Let me know if you want any of the points fleshed out in further detail, or specific examples of use.

        • #192359
          Jason M Smith
          Participant

            Thank you for the detailed  response.   That was very helpful.

            i am currently programming wah programs and I am conflicted over whether or not I should assign multiple secondary parameters to the expression pedal along with the manual Parameter.    I seem to simply water down the effect.   I tried under clean amp and germanium fuzzface conditions with the amp at the point of breakup (using a pedal).    I do like the H90 wah from qwah more than my RMC 3 I have used for years.   That’s saying a lot.  Do you have any suggestions  for programming a vintage style wah with secondary parameters and why they are used.  I am not only concerned with replicating a vintage wah but using that sound as a basis to simply make a great sounding wah program that’s dynamic and organic feeling in regard to how it feels under control of your foot     There is one aspect of the.RMC wah I can’t  figure out at all which is a sharp attack style modulation “at the end/tip of the resonant peak, q).    I never really noticed the non static interactions thatt were going on as the pedal rocks down before until now.

            These interactions and their variability from pedal to pedal does explain a subtle difference in the sweep of my wah after I had the  entire circuit board repopulated after Mr Teese could not  eliminate a noise problem I was having at one point.   After being rebuilt with the same RMC 3 spec components the Wah was virtually the same but I noticed a new “swirl” style modulation in the sweep.   Hard to describe but I could hear the difference between the builds after having the wah since around 2006.   Anyway, my recent readings of the nonstatic interactions that can occur in these circuits explained what I was hearing.A little off topic but related and interesting.

            I think the most helpful thing I can do is to assign a hot switch to toggling a wah with only manual under expression pedal control and adding the secondary parameters such as slight sweeps in Q and depth at points during the sweep?   That would be very helpful.   I know the hot switch can assign or change multiple parameter settings but can it activate the state where they have a range  under expression pedal control?    That would be great.   I tried last night quickly at the end of my playing session and couldn’t get it to work but I’m new to programming hot switches.  Still early in the learning curve of the H90 but making progress

            Thank you again.

            Jason

          • #192389
            brock
            Participant

              Jason, you really like your wahs, in granular detail.  And here I was, giving you generalities.  I’ll try breaking this all down & replying with some specifics.  Let me get in front of my system first to try out some ideas

            • #192418
              Jason M Smith
              Participant

                Take your time Brock but do chime back in as you can.   Some general knowledge from experience or specific suggestions would help.   I still haven’t mastered the quick switch idea but my quick switch programming is still rudimentary at this point.

              • #192421
                brock
                Participant

                  I came up with (quite) a few test examples, but with wildly different methods of getting there, and differing results.

                  So to clarify:

                  • Your prime objective would be the dynamic & organic under foot, plus the variation in sharp attack / Q?
                  • Nice-to-have would be the smoother swirl found after the rebuild?
                  • Regarding the HotSwitch, are you looking to toggle those organic components in or out, or prefer those to be ‘always on’ as part of the Manual Sweep?

                  I think all of this can be emulated, in one way or another.  You can toggle the ‘state’ of variations in the manual pedal sweep, but the range of those will either be static values, or set independently.  For example, set the ranges of Q-Intensity, Depth, Depth Mod & Manual Mod inside of the treadle sweep itself, or switch in Depth Mod onto a ‘regular’ wah sound to introduce those secondary dynamics.

                  I don’t intend to confuse the issue over these specifics, but I’m not there hearing what you are looking to simulate.  The answers will narrow down the focus, without heading off in the wrong directions.  From there, it should be an easier task to adjust to more subtle or extreme results.

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