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Well, down the end of the chain, i should have said. For the most percise "feel" of the swell i had to take the MF first in the chain. The envelope reacts faster and closes itself naturally with your guitar. So i had it MF -> OD -> TF. That was only temporary So when i put it back more along the lines of your setup i found the ADSR work better. Sorry don't mean to over-generalize