H90 dub style delay using send level

[simonpalf]

Hi everyone! I am trying to set up a ‘dub style’ delay effect to act on the output of a basic looper.

I have the basic looper loaded in slot A and a delay effect in slot B. I would like to be able to assign ‘delay send level’ to a quick knob for slot B.

(At the moment the closest I can get is having ‘mix’ assigned to the quick knob – but of course when this is turned down, the delay effect disappears.)

Being able to assign ‘send level’ to the quick knob would allow me to momentarily crank up the delay send level – then quickly turn it down again and the delay effect on the output of the looper would continue – dub style. (There would be loads of feedback already set up)

Anyone know how I can achieve this? Possibly it is to do with routing?

Thanks

Simon

[brock]

simonpalf wrote:

Being able to assign ‘send level’ to the quick knob would allow me to momentarily crank up the delay send level – then quickly turn it down again and the delay effect on the output of the looper would continue – dub style. (There would be loads of feedback already set up)

It seemed a little awkward to use a Quick Knob for this.  I don’t use them much beyond System settings.  I tried various In & Out Gains, Mix controls, Series, Parallel … None of them really covered all your criteria.

The simplest way would be to use a Perform switch.  For Preset B, Bypass (M) or Bypass, and save the Program just like that.  I’m assuming that you have DSP selected in the Global – Program Bypass Mode.

The Program will load with Preset A Looper active and audible.  Pressing Preset B – Bypass (M) will kick in the delay following the Looper.  Releasing it back to Bypass keeps the ‘loads of feedback’ trailing after it.

Not really a send, as much as a solo switch.  As an alternative, Repeat (M) will perform in much the same way, but the delay mini-loop will be quickly gated when you release the switch.

[simonpalf]

Hi again! When you said to ‘use a perform switch’ – do you mean a foot switch or even a hotswitch? Cheers

[simonpalf]

Thanks a lot for the idea brock!

Yeah I agree a quick knob is awkward! My original idea was to just want to prove it works first. Then- after it’s working with a quick knob – I could get an expression pedal to control it or similar.  I have an ‘elektron analogue heat + fx’ effects unit and that does allows you to run the delay effect either ‘wet dry’ style or ‘send’ style so was hoping the h90 would have similar facility.

But- I’ll try your perform switch solution and report back! (By way, the use case here is for vinyl DJing – I have the h90 connected to the send and return on my dj mixer. )

[brock]

simonpalf wrote:

…Then- after it’s working with a quick knob – I could get an expression pedal to control it or similar …

I’m guilty of assuming that everyone uses at least one EXP pedal with the H90, so I left that option out.  It’s one of the more versatile & controllable ways to get you where you’re going.

For similar uses, I usually target the Feedback parameters directly for external control.  Just be careful with the maximum range limits.  If your selected delay algo goes from Feedback 0-110, you can often hit self-oscillation by the upper 90’s.

With an EXP or AUX / HotSwitch mapping, I tend to place a little bit of Feedback at the default minimum range (around 5 or 10).  That forces a smoother fadeout when approaching EXP – heel, or H/S release / OFF.

It would also allow for a background slapback on the looping.  Preset B Mix & Feedback(s) set fairly low, then both mapped to increase greatly under foot control.

… I have an ‘elektron analogue heat + fx’ effects unit … (By way, the use case here is for vinyl DJing – I have the h90 connected to the send and return on my dj mixer. )

Nice rig, and to me, an interesting H90 application.  You may already have some other options available, for mapping the ‘swell’ over MIDI.

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