H90 Wet/Dry system not working with a second insert.

[kturner]

A simple wet dry system works fine but when I try to use another insert to add external effect, they do not sent to the wet amp. Does someone know how to do this?

My setup:

Bass to H90 INPUT 1;

Wet OUTPUT 1 to front end of amp 1; Dry OUTPUT 3 to front end of amp 2.

I’m using INSERT mode, Kill Dry ON.

All works fine but then I connect an external effect to the H90 (tried all input and output combos) and I can’t get the external effect to send to the wet amp.

Any know how to make this work?

Thanks,

Kevin

[joecozzi]

Hi Kevin,

kturner wrote:

A simple wet dry system works fine but when I try to use another insert to add external effect, they do not sent to the wet amp….I’m using INSERT mode, Kill Dry ON. All works fine but then I connect an external effect to the H90 (tried all input and output combos) and I can’t get the external effect to send to the wet amp. Any know how to make this work? Thanks, Kevin

Can you clarify a few things?
1. Where do you have your insert 1 and insert 2 points in reference to Preset A and Preset B?
2. Do you have insert 1 mix parameter set to 0% percent?
3. You say you are running the effects in Kill Dry. Are you running Preset A and Preset B in series or parallel?
4. Is the effect on Insert 2 also set to Kill Dry?

If you run too many effects in series on your wet path and they are all operating in Kill Dry, you run the risk of not feeding enough dry signal to create wet signal. This doesn’t happen when the wet path has all the effects operating in a parallel routing. Perhaps you get some clues watching this video we did on W/D setups: https://youtu.be/0G_WtfUatSc?t=786&si=IELyChc9xWPml_BT

[kturner]

Hi Joe,

Thanks for your response,

I watched the video again, there is something similar around 17 minutes in, but they do not clearly explain it. Probably the biggest problem for me is that I have not found a clear explanation on how the hardware IO related to the software inserts, it’s very confusing.

1. Insert 1 is pre effects, insert 2 is post effects, however I have tried them in all positions.

2. Yes, mix is set to 0% or something other than 100% depending on what I am trying to achieve.

3. I have tried them in both series and parallel.

4. All H90 effects are set to Kill Dry.

I was trying not to explain my full setup because I didn’t think it relevant to what I am asking about. I am just trying to find out if I can use an insert to connect an external effect while doing a simple wet dry and if so how to do that.

Here are more details: My primary instrument is guitar but I took this gig as the bass player for a 3 piece 90’s rock band, SO this is my bass rig.

My rig is bass via wireless to a volume pedal –> 1176 Compressor –> H90 Input 1; H90 Output 1 (wet )to front end of a guitar amp;  H90 Output 3 to front end of a Bass amp. I am trying to find out what hardware IO to use to connect the ES-5 (see below) and how to configure the software.

I am using a Boss ES-5 switcher to control MIDI for the H90 and any pedals that I connect to the ES-5. The pedals that are connected to the ES-5 are distortion and fuzz style pedals. The reason being that the H90 distortion algorithms are not useful to me in many cases,  meaning that I don’t like them although there are a couple of cases where they are useful.

I could do a workaround by using an amp with an effects loop and send the output of the ES-5 directly to the amps front end and use the effects loop for the wet signal. This creates more complexity to the rig which makes it less dependable at a gig. Ideally, I want as few cables to connect at a gig, and therefore do as much of the heavy lifting on my pedal board.

I hope this makes sense, this is the last ditch effort to use this pedal in a giging situation since I found the MIDI implementation unacceptable for my guitar rig.  Playing bass, I am mostly going clean with just the compression but I want to wet dry to fatten up the sound of a trio and I do use the H90 effect a bit.

Thanks,

Kevin

[joecozzi]

kturner wrote:

Probably the biggest problem for me is that I have not found a clear explanation on how the hardware IO related to the software inserts, it’s very confusing.

Basically, any effects you want to appear on Insert 1 should be connected from H90 Out 3 > input of external effect > output of that effect > IN 3 of H90. For any effect you want to appear on Insert 2 you should connect H90 Out 4 > input of other external effect(s) > out of those effects > In 4 of H90.

kturner wrote:

I am just trying to find out if I can use an insert to connect an external effect while doing a simple wet dry and if so how to do that.

Since you’re using Insert 3 to send signal to your Bass amp via Out 3, then you can use the H90’s Insert 2 to position an external effect elsewhere in the chain. Use OUT 4 to your effect and back in through IN 4. In this case, you would connect your ES-5 using I/O 4. There is one exception, which I explain below.

kturner wrote:

The pedals that are connected to the ES-5 are distortion and fuzz style pedals.

It is not common to connect gain-based pedals in the WET portion of a W/D rig. If you were to do so in this setup, you would only feed the signal of the ES-5 to the guitar amp, nothing to the bass amp. It’s important to note that when you put Insert 1 and Insert 2 in the same position in the routing on the H90, the signal flows from Insert 1 to Insert 2. It cannot flow from Insert 2 to Insert 1. In other words, if you have the ES-5 connected to Insert 2 and you’re trying to position it before the Bass amp split, you may need to connect the Bass Amp to I/O 4 and the ES-5 to I/O3. Let me know if you need further clarification.

[kturner]

Thanks Joe, That was the info I needed, it’s all working for me now!

Thanks,

Kevin

[joecozzi]

Happy to hear you worked it out. Thank you for reporting back. Helps us all learn.

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