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    • #195459
      Stevied
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        One of the most underrated pedals (from an audio-engineering perspective) was the Xotic Stereo X-blender. It had a path for the unaffected dry signal straight through the unit with 3 individual parallel effects sends to route 100% wet from other pedals back in. It had 3 knobs to control the send/return wet/dry mix %, all done by ear… nothing fancy, just a simple setup as you would mix it on a board… send and return from acoustic guitar to fx busses 100% wet.

        I saw this in the manual. It looks like what I am describing, but it is addressing inserts. Can this be done with internal routing, or would I have to jumper insert point from the back of the unit? In this configuration, without jumping, does the unaffected audio internally route in parallel with the presets, or only via insert points? I’ve never been a fan of running thru a preset and setting the mix ratio within the preset. I like the sound better when parallel process 100 wet.

        This looks possible… but am I missing something?

         

         

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      • #195460
        joecozzi
        Moderator
        Eventide Staff

          Hello Stevied,

          You ask…

          I saw this in the manual. It looks like what I am describing, but it is addressing inserts. Can this be done with internal routing, or would I have to jumper insert point from the back of the unit?

          To create a dry path there is no need for jumping of any kind. In this diagram you’re taking your input signal and splitting it three ways, between both Eventide algorithms and one external stereo pedal, the signal from each is being mixed back together again and output in stereo. That said, every program on the H90 has a P Mix parameter that controls the balance between the digitized dry signal and the wet signal from the effects. Set P Mix to any value less than 100 and you now have a parallel path of dry signal plus the wet effects. Imagine drawing a direct line from the input to the output bypassing the effects similar to the X-Blender. Please note: If you prefer to operate with such a dry path it is recommended to run the algorithms in Kill Dry mode and your external effect 100% wet to avoid summing copies of dry signal together, which can lead to volume spikes if you’re not careful. Setting things up this way, you would control the level of each Eventide algorithm using its own Mix parameter (Either A Mix or B Mix). These Mix parameters would basically act as a level control relative to the dry signal similar to the knobs on the X-Blender. The external effect level could either be adjusted using the pedal’s own output level, if it has one, or the Send and Return levels for that insert on the H90.

          In this configuration, without jumping, does the unaffected audio internally route in parallel with the presets, or only via insert points? I’ve never been a fan of running thru a preset and setting the mix ratio within the preset. I like the sound better when parallel process 100 wet. This looks possible… but am I missing something?

          The unaffected audio internally routes in parallel and you can control the balance use the aforementioned P Mix parameter. Running the Eventide algorithms in Kill Dry mode and your external effect 100% wet will give you the sound you’re after. To recap,

          – P Mix controls the overall balance of dry signal and wet three-way effects path.
          – With each effect in Kill dry their respective Mix parameters act as individual level controls.
          – For the effect in the insert, run it 100% wet and use either it’s own level control or the H90’s insert Send and Return levels to get the right balance.

          • #195462
            Stevied
            Participant

              that is exactly what I am looking for! That is awesome routing flexibility!

              To recap…

              I can have my dry signal control by pmix (as long as it is under 100). I can have a reverb on a parallel path set at 100% wet (kill dry engaged), and use the mix control as the reverb amount – and the same for the other side (maybe trem… set up kind of like a Flint), or any other effect….  This is parallel mode, and not dual, correct?

              You saved me space, as I have had an SXB-1 on most of my boards. And, IMHO, a better way to mix fx thru multifx processors. If each mix is mapped to an encoder…. this alone to me is worth the cost of admission!

              Blessings,

              StevieD

          • #195483
            joecozzi
            Moderator
            Eventide Staff

              I can have my dry signal control by pmix (as long as it is under 100). I can have a reverb on a parallel path set at 100% wet (kill dry engaged), and use the mix control as the reverb amount – and the same for the other side (maybe trem… set up kind of like a Flint), or any other effect….

              Yes in every case.

              This is parallel mode, and not dual, correct?

              Let me clarify: H90 has two routing modes – Insert (default) and Dual. Parallel signal paths are possible in both routing modes. The diagram you posted shows Insert Routing mode with a parallel signal path. It’s only in Insert routing mode where you’re allowed to create a stereo effects loop, so stick with Insert mode.

              If each mix is mapped to an encoder…. this alone to me is worth the cost of admission! Blessings, StevieD

              Yes, it is possible to map P Mix, A Mix, B Mix parameters to any of the six possible Quick knob assignments.

            • #195488
              Stevied
              Participant

                Does this setup work if I am only using the H90? Meaning, if a have, say, micropitch as effect A, and tremoloverb as effect B. If I set them in parallel, and select the configuration with the third brach between them, am I essentially creating two parallel effects paths where pmix is the center and each of the parallel paths are set to 100%wet? Using my Xotic blender example, I was seeing if parallel routing like this could be done entirely within the unit.  Each branch set at 100% combined with a  separate dry signal.

                • #195504
                  tbskoglund
                  Keymaster
                  Eventide Staff

                    Hello,

                    Please give this a try and let us know if this is what you are looking for:

                    • Load MicroPitch and TremoloVerb, enable Kill Dry for both presets
                    • Set the routing of the algorithm ins parallel, no need to enable an external insert.
                    • Set the P Mix to 50%, or whatever you like for your dry value
                    • You now have 3 level controls:
                      • P Mix will determine the level of your dry signal
                      • MicroPitch mix will determine the level of MicroPitch
                      • TremoloVerb mix will determine the level of TremoloVerb
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