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March 10, 2013 at 11:50 pm #109653leslie addictedMember
Hi, after my positive experience with the mod factor i' m really thinking of getting a pitch factor but i need to know one thing, i use the electro harmonix pog2 for the organ sound, i also use the rotary from the mod factor just after the pog and i can tell you that i get a wonderful sound, what i' d like to know is if i can get the same pog2 sound from the pitch factor, is there an algorithm to emulate an organ? is it polyphonic'? if yes which one of the algorithms?
I' ve read many forums and from what i' ve understood it only seems monophonic but someone says that it can sound like the pog 2.
Thank' s a lot for your help.
March 12, 2013 at 2:34 pm #124366brockParticipantQuote:what i' d like to know is if i can get the same pog2 sound from the pitch factor
Yes and no. The POG is engineered to do octaves (and only octaves) really well. It's more versatile in terms of blending those octaves together, plus it has the slow attack, and dedicated lowpass filter and detuning control.
That's not to say you can't come very close with the PitchFactor. Two-to-four octaves are available, with detuning possible at the same time (depending on algorithm). You have to work out any attack delays or deep filtering outside of the box. Octave blending is there; just in a more limited and less obvious sense.
Of course, the PitchFactor is designed to do much, much more. I prefer it to the HOG/POG series for organ-like settings, as it can blend in other intervals that more closely resemble Hammond drawbars and harmonics (fifths, and thirds).Quote:is there an algorithm to emulate an organ? is it polyphonic'? if yes which one of the algorithms?
The Synthonizer algo has OR1 and OR2 waveforms (not in the manual – V3 onward). That is definitely monophonic. It also has harmonics blending, control over attack, LP and HP filtering. But this is a sound synthesized from your input. Rapid playing (even clean single-note lines) can confuse the pitch detection. Consistent input levels (or pre-compression) helps out.
Comparing the PF to the POG capabilities, though, almost all of the algorithms react cleanly to polyphonic input (in terms of pure octaves and fifths). The Synthonizer and Octaver are exceptions. Any kind of instrument emulation depends heavily on playing technique and predictable input levels.
A quick POG preset might start with the Quadravox algo. Voices set to A: -2 OCT; B: +1 OCT; C: -1 OCT; D: +2 OCT. Blend lower octaves with higher using the Pitch Mix (Mix for the dry/wet). No Delay with the 4 voices "bunched together", or a few dozen milliseconds with 4 voices spread equally. Not to mention panned in stereo (impossible with a single POG).
To include detuning, you'd need to switch over to one of the 2-voice algorithms. Sometimes two octaves are enough to 'sell' the emulation. I've managed to come up with some Organs From Space settings in the least obvious places. Massive chords, gliding pitches, warbling glitches … perfect for an unusual organ sound that cuts through the mix. I'm not sure if I could reproduce that in anything but a PitchFactor.
March 15, 2013 at 11:05 am #124375leslie addictedMember
Hi, i really want to thank you a lot for your answer, my only chance to see if it works as good as the pog 2 for that organ sound is to find a store where they let me try the pitcfactor with calm because it' s not an easy tool to understand, apart from that i would also buy it in the place of the pog because it does so many other things, especially the synth and that kind of fuzz octave which i love, but the main thing is the organ, if i get close to the pog i i' ll definitely buy it.
Thank' s a lot.
March 17, 2013 at 3:06 pm #135299brockParticipantQuote:my only chance to see if it works as good as the pog 2 for that organ sound is to find a store where they let me try the pitcfactor with calm because it' s not an easy tool to understand
I'll try to toss together a few basic presets that you can print & take with you. The PitchFactor interface looks daunting at first, but it gets easier once you have a little time to spend with it. That's when you discover just how versatile and layered the programming is.
The Pog2 is a very good device. It's easier than the Pitchfactor to get the exact sound that you're after . But the Pog2 is a much narrower device in terms of what you can do with it. I look at the Pitchfactor as a half-dozen pedals in one box.Quote:the main thing is the organ
I hope you don't mind me making a few more suggestions. I don't know anything about your setup, but you have a great start by following it with the ModFactor. Swirly, rotary modulation with gradual speed changes does a lot for organ emulations.
The other big item is control over the 'envelope'. The PitchFactor alone is OK for a doubled, guitar + organ phrasing. Many times you'll want to disguise the ultra-sharp attack and string decay of a guitar input, though. A volume pedal, expression pedal over Mix, or pinky volume control can help. An automatic slow attack is a little faster and more natural.
I have a few of those options already on my pedalboard. The AdrenaLinn III has some 'Slow Gear' effects. The Pigtronix Philosopher King gives me complete control over creating an organ-type envelope. It's close to a synthesizer ADSR in that I can shape the attack, sustain (via compression), and the final decay of the guitar.
The real surprise came with the E-H Freeze (Superego looks even better). By 'freezing' the input before the PitchFactor, I can hold the sound at very consistent levels. The 'attack & release' are controlled by footswitch technique. It's goes a long way toward creating my emulations of keyboard-based instruments.
March 25, 2013 at 10:15 pm #124399BarneyBrownParticipant
Brock is right – the key to the POG organ sound is the slow envelope that softens the attack of the input signal. The Pitchfactor has many wonderful algorithms but it doesn't have this one feature so it requires other pedals alongside it to get a similar sound. It would be great if Eventide could add a decent envelope parameter to one of the harmonisers. Hint Hint 😉
March 26, 2013 at 11:03 am #124402leslie addictedMember
Hi Barney, thank' s for your answer, to be honest i think that the only key or at least the most important to Pog organ sound is that it has to be a polyphonic octaver or harmonizer like the Hog and the pichfactor algorithm seems to be monophonic mostly, the slow attack can help the job but the main thing is the polyphony, i agree with you that the Pitchfactor has many wonderful algorithms that's why it' s hard for me to decide to swap the pog for the pitchfactor, the eventide from the demo is just wonderful but not so for the organ thing, and i just can't have both.
October 29, 2014 at 3:21 am #126900fkalichMember
I have been able to get an organ sound that I really like, actually better than others I have heard on youtube (even with dedicated organ simulators). Sort of like Phantom of the Opera. Pitchfactor, Modfactor, and Timefactor. I also use a compressor, reverb pedal, flanger, and a sonic stomp, and overdrive. I have thought of getting a Janglebox compressor but that would be $200. I am pretty sure that would improve the sound even more though, and it would have other things I could use if for. Anyone have any opinions on that?
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