H90 and H9 U2 delay settings

[alanchiste1]

Hello – I have tried all the included programs and none of them can emulate the U2 sounds. Does anyone have any suggestions and or sharable programs for either H90 or H9?

[tbskoglund]

Can you be more specific with what Programs and Presets you have tried and what is the sound you are trying to achieve?

[alanchiste1]

I am trying to emulate the U2 guitar delay for with or without you. It needs a 111BPM, 405msec and dotted 8th. Converting the BPM to hz is 111/60 = 1.85Hz

But trying to set this up in either H90 or H9 does not give me the desired results, not sure why. I added my old TC electronics flashback delay pedal, and it is much better, but I have the peddle board all set up and would think that these two eventide systems should work.

Appreciate any insight.

thanks,

[alanchiste1]

Hi – any update?

 

[apalazzolo]

Hi. That’s a great pop song with great production.

This guy has a partial answer for the main riff for you: https://soundcloud.com/squareversesine/h9-vintage-delay-with-or-without-you-u2 Please see his comment and hear his Eventide H9 clip (which sounds pretty good to me).

IMHO the production on that song is sooooo dense (excellent but dense) the best we can do with just one H90 and no overdubs is approximate the effects. I got curious so I made and attached two alternative programs.

In WOWOY 1, I use Vintage Delay series into Shimmer.  This program not only has reverb, but you can link the Pitch Decay to an expression pedal with a range of 0 to 70.   That way you can fade in and out with one higher octave in the reverb, as desired.  You can also set Pitch B = 1208 on hotswitch one and Pitch B = 2408 on hotswitch two. That lets you fade in and out with different shimmer octaves.  The idea is to enable one guitar player approximate various high pitched sustaining notes all over the ending.  Note that the delay feedback is set to 32 and I think that’s about right.   I also think you are correct that the tempo should be about 111.   Note the 50% Program Mix.  That is supposed to be a partial parallel path for your amp  (or amp sim) signal entering the H90.  It’s subtle but I think it makes things a bit clearer.   You can choose to disregard that but then you’ll have to rebalance the other mix levels.

In WOWOY 2, I use Vintage Delay series into Sticky Tape (to try to approximate SDD3000 preamp crunch and to widen the stereo field).  I have lengthened the delay feedback to 36.  That’s longer than I think is correct but it makes things a little more reverby since this program has no reverb.  Note the 50% Program Mix.  That is supposed to be a partial parallel path for your amp  (or amp sim) signal entering the H90.  It’s subtle but I think it makes things a bit clearer.   You can choose to disregard that but then you’ll have to rebalance the other mix levels.

I think you’ll need something like an E-Bow for the long sustaining notes in the beginning.   For this, I would use a single delay set to about 400ms or a dotted 1/4 with 3 – 4 repeats.  I’d prolly also run that in series into the Shimmer reverb discussed above but backed off some.

Hope that helps.
~Tony

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[apalazzolo]

… and here are the two .pgm90 programs as described above.

… note that I’ve added settings for the intro part (hotswitch 3 in U2 WOWOY 1; and hotswitch 1 in WOWOY 2).

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[alanchiste1]

Thank you. Quick question: Assuming that these are new programs you created? With the H90 I need to download the patches to a ipad, and then connect to the h90 and upload them right?

Will it change the set points for existing programs? I ask because I have Boss-ES8 and if it moves the programs around I will have to reconfig it all, a bit of effort, but just wanted to check

thanks again for your help. Pic of system attached

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[apalazzolo]

I run Windows and, yes, that is how I would grab a file and get it into my H90.

I’m sorry but I don’t know what a set point is or anything about the ES8.

 

We are talking about importing a program into a particular program slot in your H90.   Without exactly suggesting you do this, here’s what I would try:

 

Pick a program with a super simple ES8 configuration and save it by exporting it to your computer.

Then import the new program into that slot in your H90 and play away.

When that gets boring import the first program back into the same slot and you should be back where you were when you started.

 

Anything more complicated than that is above my pay grade and you should ignore me.  LOL

Good luck!

 

 

[apalazzolo]

I see you have an H9 available.   Assuming you are OK with the programs I posted, that opens up a new option:  the full Monty.

You could run U2 WOWOY 2 on your H90 and then run that in series into your H9 where you can run a Shimmer preset based on the one in U2 WOWOY 1.  So you’d run Sticky Tape into Vintage Delay into Shimmer.  If you do, you should lower the delay levels from 36 down to something like 31.  As always, though, adjust to taste.

Good luck!

 

 

 

[apalazzolo]

Update:  You can cancel your E-Bow order.

I’ve attached three programs I made over a year ago and the long sustaining notes in this song might be the perfect time to use one or more of them.  Please read the developer notes to understand how they work.   There is a little bit of technique to develop.  Most importantly, you need to play a short rest between each note and then sustain each note at least a little bit before releasing it.   This will allow the program to swell in smoothly.

With the two Singularity programs you can sustain a note forever by releasing and re-picking the note about every quarter note.   When you get the hang of it the note will sustain across each rest so you won’t hear it.  You select different hotswitches for different swell in and sustain times.  Aux switches select various shimmer octaves.

With UltraSwell + you use the PERFORM KNOB/EXPRESSION PEDAL to determine the swell in and sustain times.   My PERFORM KNOB/EXPRESSION PEDAL are linked together so you may have to change this setting directly to EXPRESSION PEDAL depending on your rig.

These should give you a lot to work with.  Good Luck!

PS I only see two of the three attached programs so I’m going to add the third in another post.

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[apalazzolo]

Third attachment just in case … well that didn’t work either.  There must be some limit built into the system.

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