H90 Routing Questions

[toumpouris]

Hello!

I have been using the pedal for a while and I am trying to understand the behaviour when routing the 2 effects in series. I am using the pedal as stereo in (1-2) and stereo out (1-2).

I have the first FX fully wet, and then want to pass 50% of it to 2nd algorithm, and the other 50% ‘dry’ (which essentially is the first FX fully wet). But when I try, the wet parameter works as a volume knob into the 2nd FX, and won’t allow part of the 1st FX to be audible.

Example: First slot is diatonic full wet and want to inject that into a reverb, but being able to hear also part of diatonic without all of it into the reverb.

I always use the pedal from my mixer as sends/returns (AUX) so I have kill dry options to ON.

Would love your help if is possible to change this behaviour or is just the nature of the pedal.

Thanks

[joecozzi]

Hello toumpouris,

toumpouris wrote:

I have the first FX fully wet, and then want to pass 50% of it to 2nd algorithm, and the other 50% ‘dry’ (which essentially is the first FX fully wet).

“Fully wet” means there is NO dry signal at all; you will only hear the result of the effect, not your dry signal mixed in. If what you’re trying to do is feed an even mix of affected signal and dry signal through to the second effect in the chain, then you should not be using KILL DRY and the Mix parameter of the algorithm should not be at 100. Depending on the algorithm, having the Mix parameter at 40-60 is the range for a balance of wet and dry when Kill Dry is off.

toumpouris wrote:

But when I try, the wet parameter works as a volume knob into the 2nd FX, and won’t allow part of the 1st FX to be audible.

If Kill Dry is set to ON, there is no dry signal present at all. You’re correct the Mix parameter behaves like a volume knob because with the absence of dry signal, you’re only controlling the wet portion of the signal.

toumpouris wrote:

Example: First slot is diatonic full wet and want to inject that into a reverb, but being able to hear also part of diatonic without all of it into the reverb…I always use the pedal from my mixer as sends/returns (AUX) so I have kill dry options to ON. Would love your help if is possible to change this behaviour or is just the nature of the pedal. Thanks

When you say Diatonic, I’m assuming you’re referring to the pitch shifting algorithm. If you want to send a balance of the dry signal and shifted pitch  into a reverb, I recommend not using Kill Dry. Kill Dry makes sense in the aux of a mixer for time-based effects like delay or reverb. But to do what you want to do, you’ll have to place the pitch shifter in line with your dry signal. This can be done in a variety of ways, but it’s highly dependent on the signal routing capabilities of your mixer.

If your mixer has inserts, you could run the H90 in Dual Routing mode and put the Diatonic algorithm in Path 1 (I/O 1&2), Kill Dry Off, Mix at 50. Then, connect Path 2 of the H90 (I/O 3&4) to the Aux S/R of your mixer. You can route the mixed signal (dry/pitch) to the reverb algorithm in the Aux, Kill Dry ON, Mix parameter at 100. Mix reverb to taste using the Aux return channel.

If your mixer does not have inserts on every channel, you might have to find a way to connect to Path 1 on the H90 first before going into a channel on the mixer.

Here’s an in-depth explanation of Dual Routing mode: https://youtu.be/0G_WtfUatSc?feature=shared

 

[toumpouris]

Hey!

Thanks a lot for the info, I will try to explain more in detail and regarding my setup.

I am using the pedal in stereo in and stereo out from my RME audio interface, so Im using the totalmix software mixer as sends/returns, so I have the dry signal on a separate channel. I do not need the dry signal at all when processing through the H90, that’s the reason im using kill dry.

When in series, I just need part of my pitch shifter to go into reverb and part of it to stay as is. When I try, all the pitch shifter goes into the reverb and I lose the pitch shifter.

Is it possible?

Thanks

[joecozzi]

If Global Kill Dry is ON, then you can try setting the Mix parameter of Diatonic to 100. Leave its Kill Dry setting to Global. On the Reverb, set the Kill Dry parameter to OFF; set the Mix parameter to 50. The reverb’s Mix parameter will allow you to control the balance between the signal coming from the Diatonic pitch shifter and the effect from the reverb.

Something to note: if one of the harmonies on Diatonic is set to Unison, it will sound as if there’s dry signal because you’ve instructed the algorithm to duplicate the dry signal and output the same note (unison).

[toumpouris]

Ah! 🙂

Maybe this is where the magic will happen!

I was not aware that you can change kill dry setting per preset, I will investigate further tomorrow, and repot back.

Thanks a lot for the help so far! x

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