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December 18, 2020 at 1:37 am #116254terichParticipant
Hey there!
I use an expression pedal to control a Whammy-esque octave up / octave down. It defaults to octave down / heel position. However, I often need to quickly switch from one preset back to whammy but I want the octave UP (toe position on the expression) but I can’t seem to figure out how to do this. The ribbon element on the iPad is disabled when the expression pedal is connected.
Is there a way to do this? I want a preset that defaults to toe-up on the expression pedal but otherwise behaves identically.
Thanks!
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December 18, 2020 at 1:39 am #156620
Which algorithm are you using?
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December 18, 2020 at 3:34 am #156621terichParticipant
PitchFlex
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December 18, 2020 at 4:09 am #156622
Just so I understand correctly, you're on your PITCHFLEX preset and you move your expression pedal to the Octave up position. Then, you leave that preset for another sound, but then, you go back to PITCHFLEX and want the sound to pick up where it left off, at the octave up position. Is your expression pedal in the toe position as well?
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December 18, 2020 at 4:21 am #156623terichParticipant
I’ll add some context to my setup. I have a bank of midi stompboxes that send a signal to summon the effects i need in my H9s. When I activate the Pitchflex preset I have created, it starts out on 1 octave down. In a lot of cases this is what I want. But I have a few songs where I need the up octave as soon as I click (e.g. I don’t want to have to hit the expression pedal too.)
Basically I want the same present but I want it to have the octave up activated when I load the preset. Right now it always loads to the octave down position.
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December 18, 2020 at 4:32 am #156625
The thing to keep in mind, is that the algorithm doesn't take stock of where the expression pedal is until it is moved. The only way to get PITCHFLEX to give you the same pitch when you come back to it is creating a preset where the HEEL position is set to start at your original preset's TOE pitch. But, as soon as you move the expression pedal, it reverses the direction of the pitch control (because you already started in the higher octave). If all you need is to hear the pitch where you originally left off, this works. But if you need to continue using the pedal after going back to PITCHFLEX this is not going to work, unless you can deal with it functioning in the opposite direction.
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December 18, 2020 at 5:28 am #156627
I was able to do it using MIDI. I connected my expression pedal to my MIDI controller and assigned it CC#0.
1) I programmed Button 1 on my controller to send a program change to my PITCHFLEX preset.
2) i programmed Button 2 on my controller to send a program change to the same preset, but it also sends CC #0 of my expression pedal with value 127.
Now, every time I press Button 2, it will load the PITCHFLEX preset but in the toe position. My expression pedal still works the same as before.
Try this and see if it works for you.
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December 18, 2020 at 5:31 am #156628
I forgot to state that you need to assign CC#0 to the H9's expression pedal MIDI mapping. On H9 Control you can find it under the "Pedal Settings" tab, "MIDI Setting", then "Assign MIDI CC messages to pedal functions". Look for "Set expression pedal value (aka HotKnob value) and assign in CC#0.
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December 18, 2020 at 6:51 pm #156630terichParticipant
Oh that’s smart. Gotcha. So… I would need my midi controller to send the toe up signal with the program change? Sadly I don’t think my midi controller does anything but program change, but that’s good to know
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December 18, 2020 at 6:58 pm #156631
Yes, one button press on your controller needs to send two commands, the program change and the expression value of 127, which corresponds to the toe up position.
Which controller do you have? I’ll try and see if it’s possible.
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December 18, 2020 at 7:27 pm #156634
According to the Molten Voltage “Master Control” manual, it does not send CC information. Sorry, my method won’t be possible with this device.
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December 18, 2020 at 7:50 pm #156636
The controller I use the most is the Morningstar MC6mkII. But I also have the Disaster Area Designs DPC-05 and the Musicomlabs EFX-MKV. Based on your picture, the MC6 would look great on your board and it's super easy to use.
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April 13, 2021 at 6:47 am #157635terichParticipant
LOL I totally forgot about this post but I have a Morningstar MC8 now and can totally do this
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December 18, 2020 at 4:22 am #156624terichParticipantjoecozzi wrote:
Just so I understand correctly, you’re on your PITCHFLEX preset and you move your expression pedal to the Octave up position. Then, you leave that preset for another sound, but then, you go back to PITCHFLEX and want the sound to pick up where it left off, at the octave up position. Is your expression pedal in the toe position as well?
This would work too, but I was specifically thinking it would also be fine if I could load the preset with high octave by default.
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December 18, 2020 at 4:36 am #156626terichParticipantjoecozzi wrote:
The thing to keep in mind, is that the algorithm doesn’t take stock of where the expression pedal is until it is moved. The only way to get PITCHFLEX to give you the same pitch when you come back to it is creating a preset where the HEEL position is set to start at your original preset’s TOE pitch. But, as soon as you move the expression pedal, it reverses the direction of the pitch control (because you already started in the higher octave). If all you need is to hear the pitch where you originally left off, this works. But if you need to continue using the pedal after going back to PITCHFLEX this is not going to work, unless you can deal with it functioning in the opposite direction.
I don’t need the pitch to be where I left it, I just want the effect to start in the TOE position instead of the HEEL position. And I’m fine to create a new bank and new preset for it, I just want two options: starting the algorithm in octave down / HEEL and starting it in octave up / TOE. Doesn’t have to be the same MIDI signal or pedal or channel, just need the same algorithm with two different starting points, happy to trigger them separately.
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December 18, 2020 at 7:00 pm #156632terichParticipantjoecozzi wrote:Yes, one button press on your controller needs to send two commands, the program change and the expression value of 127, which corresponds to the toe up position. Which controller do you have? I’ll try and see if it’s possible.
I use the Molten Voltage “Master Control” with the extra footswitches.
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December 18, 2020 at 7:32 pm #156635terichParticipantjoecozzi wrote:According to the Molten Voltage “Master Control” manual, it does not send CC information. Sorry, my method won’t be possible with this device.
No worries, thanks for trying! For the record, what controller are you using?
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