Need help creating a harmony effect for a project

[birthofahero]

Hello creative minds and forward thinkers. Im having a hard time creating a preset that can make the harmonies for this guitar part:

 

https://soundcloud.com/philiphoppermusic/harm-part

 

I can get the right intervals using the Quadravox but since this particular guitar part moves between varying intervals, it makes it very hard to accurately hit the correct ones with an expression pedal. 

Ill break this down into different parts since I have access to the stems. 

 

MAIN PART:

https://soundcloud.com/philiphoppermusic/main-harm-part

This one proves to be most difficult since there are two note chords during the second part. Maybe adding a third voice here would be most effective for playing chords.

VOICE 1:

https://soundcloud.com/philiphoppermusic/2nd-harm-part

 

VOICE 2:

https://soundcloud.com/philiphoppermusic/3nd-harm-part

 

 

Im running out of ideas and Im not sure its even possible to play this part on one guitar, but I thought I would try my luck here. Thank you for reading!

 

 

[camn]

Do you know the intervals you are trying for? (didnt listen yet)

[brock]

Try as I might (a couple computers & phone), I couldn’t access your links.  So, generically …

birthofahero wrote:

… I can get the right intervals using the Quadravox …

Any chance of posting those in a screenshot, parameter listing, or key & intervals?  I’m having difficulty narrowing it down:  single note shifts, key changes, chord inversions, how many interval changes at the same time, etc.

birthofahero wrote:

… but since this particular guitar part moves between varying intervals, it makes it very hard to accurately hit the correct ones with an expression pedal.

I’m guessing no MIDI (or problem solved).  Do you have access to an Aux switch [+ Y-cable if you keep EXP PED control (which of course you would)].  A keyboard sustain pedal in a pinch.  Makes a great momentary switch, with a nice feel to it.

At any rate, you can assign the PITCH A,B,C,D parameters directly, with min. / max. limits of travel.  Momentary or latching options in H9 software.  Not really my preferred method, but it works.  Might get a little flaky with 3,4 parameters assigned to the same switch.

You can also assign an AUX switch to switch between the HEEL TOE extremes of any expression pedal mapping.  Great way to shift between two sets of harmonies; faking a HotSwitch function.  Unfortunately, I believe that will only be a momentary action.  You’d have to hold the switch down for the duration of the harmony change.  Of course, if you’re shifting among a handful of harmony / key changes, we’ll have to back up & punt.  We’ll figure something out.

birthofahero wrote:

… This one proves to be most difficult since there are two note chords during the second part. Maybe adding a third voice here would be most effective for playing chords.

Without hearing the example(s), I’m unclear on the 3rd voice comment.  My first thought was an adjustment on the DELAY GROUP, coupled with short DELAY D. But if they are parallel (static) intervals, maybe another preset in the HarPeggiator / H910 H949 / PitchFuzz (without the fuzz) vein?  If there are simultaneous key-constrained harmonies, then scratch that one.

Sometimes it’s the best tactic to stack 3-4 preset variations sequentially, and step through them.  Globally limit your pedal to 4 or eight presets, and cycle through them quickly.  Cuts down on the brain work.  Other times – if you’re fortunate – simple changing the KEY / SCALE with a switch gets you where you need to go.

birthofahero wrote:

… Im running out of ideas and Im not sure its even possible to play this part on one guitar, …

Anything is possible.  The trick is paring it down to a practical implementation.

[brock]

brock wrote:

… You can also assign an AUX switch to switch between the HEEL TOE extremes of any expression pedal mapping.  Great way to shift between two sets of harmonies; faking a HotSwitch function.  Unfortunately, I believe that will only be a momentary action.  You’d have to hold the switch down for the duration of the harmony change.

There I go, quoting myself again.  Forgot to mention:  If you have an AUX switch capable of latching action [BOSS FS-6 or similar], you can snap between two sets of harmonies at the HEEL TOE of an expression pedal mapping.  Assign TIP, SLEEVE, or T+S to Expression Pedal.

[birthofahero]

brock wrote:

Try as I might (a couple computers & phone), I couldn’t access your links.  So, generically …

birthofahero wrote:

… I can get the right intervals using the Quadravox …

Any chance of posting those in a screenshot, parameter listing, or key & intervals?  I’m having difficulty narrowing it down:  single note shifts, key changes, chord inversions, how many interval changes at the same time, etc.

birthofahero wrote:

… but since this particular guitar part moves between varying intervals, it makes it very hard to accurately hit the correct ones with an expression pedal.

I’m guessing no MIDI (or problem solved).  Do you have access to an Aux switch [+ Y-cable if you keep EXP PED control (which of course you would)].  A keyboard sustain pedal in a pinch.  Makes a great momentary switch, with a nice feel to it.

At any rate, you can assign the PITCH A,B,C,D parameters directly, with min. / max. limits of travel.  Momentary or latching options in H9 software.  Not really my preferred method, but it works.  Might get a little flaky with 3,4 parameters assigned to the same switch.

You can also assign an AUX switch to switch between the HEEL TOE extremes of any expression pedal mapping.  Great way to shift between two sets of harmonies; faking a HotSwitch function.  Unfortunately, I believe that will only be a momentary action.  You’d have to hold the switch down for the duration of the harmony change.  Of course, if you’re shifting among a handful of harmony / key changes, we’ll have to back up & punt.  We’ll figure something out.

birthofahero wrote:

… This one proves to be most difficult since there are two note chords during the second part. Maybe adding a third voice here would be most effective for playing chords.

Without hearing the example(s), I’m unclear on the 3rd voice comment.  My first thought was an adjustment on the DELAY GROUP, coupled with short DELAY D. But if they are parallel (static) intervals, maybe another preset in the HarPeggiator / H910 H949 / PitchFuzz (without the fuzz) vein?  If there are simultaneous key-constrained harmonies, then scratch that one.

Sometimes it’s the best tactic to stack 3-4 preset variations sequentially, and step through them.  Globally limit your pedal to 4 or eight presets, and cycle through them quickly.  Cuts down on the brain work.  Other times – if you’re fortunate – simple changing the KEY / SCALE with a switch gets you where you need to go.

birthofahero wrote:

… Im running out of ideas and Im not sure its even possible to play this part on one guitar, …

Anything is possible.  The trick is paring it down to a practical implementation.

I made the tracks public so they should work for you now.

I’ll figure out the actual notes the main guitar is playing and what intervals I need for each note.

I do have midi, using a momentary switch is a good idea for quick interval jumps where an exp pedal would be hard to use. I’ll expirement with that concept a bit.

I’ll be back with some specific intervals I need.

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