Noob Question: select Algos for presets.

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    • #111087
      Bzerk
      Member

      Hi!

      Just got my H9 yesterday (works amazingly well in the FX loop of the Eleven Rack).

      I don't have a win/ios device, only android ;( For the moment, I try to tweak stuff by using the knobs and switch on the device.

      I have a few questions:

      I would like to create a preset. So far I start by editing for instance preset 1, It is based on the HALL algo, I would like some other algo, how can I switch the algorithm on this preset?

      Do I have to select a preset with the algo I want tu use, tune it, and save/overwrite the preset 01 ?

      In this case, is there a way to find a preset using the algo I want easily?

      Bonus question: If it works like that and I do something really stupid such as overwriting all the presets with the same preset, using a given algo, how could I create a preset with an other algo after that? (yeah, ok, really dumb).

      Sorry, those are probably really noob questions…

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      Guillaume.

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    • #124799
      gkellum
      Participant

      Hi Guillaume,

      Yes, currently there is no way to directly select an algorithm on the H9.  So, you do have to select a preset with the algorithm you want to use, tune it, and save/overwrite another preset.  (It doesn't have to be a preset at the same position.  You can modify preset 88 and save it to position 12.)  There are a couple of different ways you could go about finding a preset with a certain algorithm.  If you're looking at a loaded preset on the H9, pressing the preset button will show you the name of the algorithm used by the preset.  Also, I've also copied below a table showing the mapping  from the preset name to the algorithm used;  this will also be posted on the product page for the H9 soon, although it isn't there right now.  

      >  If it works like that and I do something really stupid such as overwriting all the presets with the same > preset, using a given algo, how could I create a preset with an other algo after that? 

      Actually, this is a very good question.  You can restore all the factory presets by holding the right footswitch and the wheel down when the H9 is restarting, but this will wipe out all of your own presets.  Or you could transfer over a preset with that algorithm using H9 Control;  unfortunately, we don't support Android yet, but there are builds of iOS, Mac OS X, and Windows.  Ideally you would be able to select an algorithm on the H9's interface directly, but this isn't currently supported.  I'm maintaining a wish list of H9 features though, and I've marked this down as a feature request. 

      PRESET

      ALGORITHM

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      1 ULTRATAP

      ULTRATAP

      2 BALLERINA

      H910 H949

      3 WARMTH

      CHORUS

      4 LENNON SLAP

      TAPE ECHO

      5 1984PANAMA

      H910 H949

      6 EARTH HALL

      HALL

      7 I WALK ALONE

      TREMOLOPAN

      8 STREETS

      VINTAGE DELAY

      9 SHIMMER

      SHIMMER

      10 BATMAN

      ULTRATAP

      11 CLASSIC CRYSTALS

      CRYSTALS

      12 POLYMODELICIOUS

      CHORUS

      13 FIBONACCI TAPE

      TAPE ECHO

      14 WOMENINLOVE

      H910 H949

      15 KUBRIX

      HALL

      16 TUMBLEWEED TREM

      TREMOLOPAN

      17 AMBIENT VINTAGE

      VINTAGE DELAY

      18 MOUNTAINS

      SHIMMER

      19 BOUNCING BALL

      ULTRATAP

      20 1984LEGS

      H910 H949

      21 SPINNING

      CHORUS

      22 TAPE FOR VOCALS

      TAPE ECHO

      23 3 OCTAVE RANGE

      H910 H949

      24 CORRIDORS

      HALL

      25 RAMPCHOPPER

      TREMOLOPAN

      26 FOUNDIT

      VINTAGE DELAY

      27 IRONWORX

      SHIMMER

      28 GHOSTHUNTER

      ULTRATAP

      29 SEAGULLS

      CRYSTALS

      30 PULSATING

      CHORUS

      31 CLASSIC SLAP

      TAPE ECHO

      32 AREYOUTHERE

      CRYSTALS

      33 DARK CAVE

      HALL

      34 SQUARE CHOPPER

      TREMOLOPAN

      35 LONG VINTAGE H9

      VINTAGE DELAY

      36 TOUCHED BY AN H9

      SHIMMER

      37 MOSQUITO

      ULTRATAP

      38 DISAPPEARING HAL

      ULTRATAP

      39 70S GUITAR CHORU

      CHORUS

      40 RECORD HEAD

      TAPE ECHO

      41 POWERCHORD

      H910 H949

      42 DELAYEDPLATE

      HALL

      43 HELLS GATE

      SHIMMER

      44 VINTAGE VOCAL

      VINTAGE DELAY

      45 SIZE MATTERS

      SHIMMER

      46 STUTTER

      ULTRATAP

      47 STEAMPUNK

      CRYSTALS

      48 CHORUS BUMPS

      CHORUS

      49 BE WOWED

      TAPE ECHO

      50 SHATTER

      H910 H949

      51 CARNEGIE HALL

      HALL

      52 SPECIAL AGENT FA

      TREMOLOPAN

      53 ROTTEN OLD DELAY

      VINTAGE DELAY

      54 SNEAKY VERB

      SHIMMER

      55 SLOWING DOWN

      ULTRATAP

      56 FROM A BAD DREAM

      CRYSTALS

      57 LIQUID SWEETENER

      CHORUS

      58 MULTI SLAP

      TAPE ECHO

      59 PHOTON BEAM

      H910 H949

      60 DOOM CHAMBER

      HALL

      61 ULTRASWELL

      ULTRATAP

      62 LO-REZ TRAIL

      VINTAGE DELAY

      63 QUASAR

      SHIMMER

      64 ZIPPERVERB

      ULTRATAP

      65 REVERSE DETUNE E

      CRYSTALS

      66 BIG CLONE

      CHORUS

      67 REELTOREEL

      TAPE ECHO

      68 INSANITY BUILD

      H910 H949

      69 PHANTOM VERB

      HALL

      70 FLUTTER TREM

      TREMOLOPAN

      71 SLAPVINTAGE

      VINTAGE DELAY

      72 DARK ANGELS

      SHIMMER

      73 CHOPHALL

      ULTRATAP

      74 PITCH A LA V

      CRYSTALS

      75 CLASSIC CHORUS

      VINTAGE DELAY

      76 FLUTTERWOW

      TAPE ECHO

      77 RISING SWIM

      H910 H949

      78 VAPOR TRAIL

      HALL

      79 PULSING TREM

      TREMOLOPAN

      80 LONG OLD DELAYS

      VINTAGE DELAY

      81 NEROS ASCENT

      SHIMMER

      82 SIX PULSING

      ULTRATAP

      83 REVERSELOWS

      CRYSTALS

      84 HUH FLANGE

      ULTRATAP

      85 UBETTERRUN

      VINTAGE DELAY

      86 BACKING VOCAL

      H910 H949

      87 PANOROMANCE

      HALL

      88 PANNING TREMO

      TREMOLOPAN

      89 NICE OLD ECHOES

      VINTAGE DELAY

      90 GUNSHOT SNARE

      SHIMMER

      91 FOLLOW ME

      ULTRATAP

      92 CLOCKWORX

      ULTRATAP

      93 NANO STUDDER

      ULTRATAP

      94 TAPEDRONE

      TAPE ECHO

      95 WEIRDBASS

      CRYSTALS

      96 SYNTH GHOSTS

      ULTRATAP

      97 BULLFROG

      ULTRATAP

      98 TAPSLAP

      ULTRATAP

      99 GLITCHTRIGGER

      ULTRATAP


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  • #124800
    Bzerk
    Member

    Thank you very much for your answer.

    I saw the list of preset, there are a lot I really want… Can I use someone else ios device to buy an algo?

    Will my device tied to the iphone? Or the algo tied to the iphone?

    Or is the iphone just a way to pay then the algo is tied to my device and account and if somedays you release H9 control for android I will seed everything I already paid on the android app?

    If it is the case, I would be great, I could borrow a ios device while waiting to use H9 control on my phone and tablet (android is quite popular here, in europe).

  • #135619
    gkellum
    Participant

    Yes, you can use someone else's iOS device to buy an algorithm.  Apple's iTunes Connect is just a way to pay for an algorithm.  The information about the purchase goes to Eventide's server, and the algorithm is connected to your Eventide account.  So, yes, when we later release an Android app, when you connect to an H9, it will ask you for your Eventide account information and it will go and get all of your purchased algorithms from Eventide and show them on your Android device.  This is the way it works on the desktop versions of H9 Control as well…

  • #135620
    Bzerk
    Member

    Great!

    Thank you very much for your answers. I will try to borrow an ios device today.

  • #124801
    wilkinsi
    Participant

    Now if we could have these presets added to the Eclipse… Wink

  • #135621
    gkellum
    Participant

    Bzerk:

    I saw the list of preset, there are a lot I really want… Can I use someone else ios device to buy an algo?

    Did you mean you saw the list of algorithms and there were a lot that you want?  Because the list of presets that I posted above are all of the presets that come standard with an H9.  You should have all of those presets already…

  • #135622
    Bzerk
    Member

    Sorry, I meant algorithms… I borrowed an iphone and got the free algo yesterday. I choose the Quadravox, Amazing!

    I saw that there is some documentation about the midi sysex protocol for the factor pedals. Is it the same protocol for the H9 or will you release some doc about it?

    I found a nice trick, I configured my FCB 1010 to help in tweaking the parameters for the H9.

    Each of the 10 footswich select a parameter (from  KB0 to KB9) and the right expression pedal set the value of the choosen parameter. It works!

    Now, If I have time, I will write a small software to do it with my tablet. It will be more convenient than on the device itself (but if your android soft is around the corner, I'd rather not waste my time on that).

    Having such a good and documented midi implementation is really cool.

    I wrote ElevenHack, a free rig loader to the Eleven Rack, and I can tell you that guessing the whole sysex protocol and the binary file format had been a nightmare. When I saw that you document even your sysex messages, I was ecstatic 🙂

    I used the H9 for the first time with my band yesterday…  made a big impression !.

  • #135623
    gkellum
    Participant

    Bzerk:

    I found a nice trick, I configured my FCB 1010 to help in tweaking the parameters for the H9.

    Each of the 10 footswich select a parameter (from  KB0 to KB9) and the right expression pedal set the value of the choosen parameter. It works!

    That's really clever. I wouldn't have thought that would be possible with a FCB 1010.

    The H9 supports the same MIDI protocol as the Factor pedals;  so that document you found is the best source of documentation for it.  We'll have to copy that over to the documentation section for the H9 and check to see if it needs any updating.

    H9 Control itself uses a different MIDI sysex protocol, but the protocol H9 Control uses is encrypted to make it impossible for anyone to connect to your device over Bluetooth and start messing with it. Because of the encryption, it's not possible for other applications to use it, but I don't think there would be any advantage to using it anyway over the existing MIDI sysex protocol.

    Bzerk:

    Now, If I have time, I will write a small software to do it with my tablet. It will be more convenient than on the device itself (but if your android soft is around the corner, I'd rather not waste my time on that).

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    I'm not sure how you would define "around the corner", but we aren't working on the Android version right now.  The next release is going to have the in app store functionality for the desktop builds of H9 Control and it's going to have a new algorithm.


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