Noob Question: select Algos for presets.

[Bzerk]

Hi!

Just got my H9 yesterday (works amazingly well in the FX loop of the Eleven Rack).

I don't have a win/ios device, only android ;( For the moment, I try to tweak stuff by using the knobs and switch on the device.

I have a few questions:

I would like to create a preset. So far I start by editing for instance preset 1, It is based on the HALL algo, I would like some other algo, how can I switch the algorithm on this preset?

Do I have to select a preset with the algo I want tu use, tune it, and save/overwrite the preset 01 ?

In this case, is there a way to find a preset using the algo I want easily?

Bonus question: If it works like that and I do something really stupid such as overwriting all the presets with the same preset, using a given algo, how could I create a preset with an other algo after that? (yeah, ok, really dumb).

Sorry, those are probably really noob questions…

Guillaume.

[gkellum]

Hi Guillaume,

Yes, currently there is no way to directly select an algorithm on the H9.  So, you do have to select a preset with the algorithm you want to use, tune it, and save/overwrite another preset.  (It doesn't have to be a preset at the same position.  You can modify preset 88 and save it to position 12.)  There are a couple of different ways you could go about finding a preset with a certain algorithm.  If you're looking at a loaded preset on the H9, pressing the preset button will show you the name of the algorithm used by the preset.  Also, I've also copied below a table showing the mapping  from the preset name to the algorithm used;  this will also be posted on the product page for the H9 soon, although it isn't there right now.  

>  If it works like that and I do something really stupid such as overwriting all the presets with the same > preset, using a given algo, how could I create a preset with an other algo after that? 

Actually, this is a very good question.  You can restore all the factory presets by holding the right footswitch and the wheel down when the H9 is restarting, but this will wipe out all of your own presets.  Or you could transfer over a preset with that algorithm using H9 Control;  unfortunately, we don't support Android yet, but there are builds of iOS, Mac OS X, and Windows.  Ideally you would be able to select an algorithm on the H9's interface directly, but this isn't currently supported.  I'm maintaining a wish list of H9 features though, and I've marked this down as a feature request. 

PRESET	ALGORITHM
1 ULTRATAP	ULTRATAP
2 BALLERINA	H910 H949
3 WARMTH	CHORUS
4 LENNON SLAP	TAPE ECHO
5 1984PANAMA	H910 H949
6 EARTH HALL	HALL
7 I WALK ALONE	TREMOLOPAN
8 STREETS	VINTAGE DELAY
9 SHIMMER	SHIMMER
10 BATMAN	ULTRATAP
11 CLASSIC CRYSTALS	CRYSTALS
12 POLYMODELICIOUS	CHORUS
13 FIBONACCI TAPE	TAPE ECHO
14 WOMENINLOVE	H910 H949
15 KUBRIX	HALL
16 TUMBLEWEED TREM	TREMOLOPAN
17 AMBIENT VINTAGE	VINTAGE DELAY
18 MOUNTAINS	SHIMMER
19 BOUNCING BALL	ULTRATAP
20 1984LEGS	H910 H949
21 SPINNING	CHORUS
22 TAPE FOR VOCALS	TAPE ECHO
23 3 OCTAVE RANGE	H910 H949
24 CORRIDORS	HALL
25 RAMPCHOPPER	TREMOLOPAN
26 FOUNDIT	VINTAGE DELAY
27 IRONWORX	SHIMMER
28 GHOSTHUNTER	ULTRATAP
29 SEAGULLS	CRYSTALS
30 PULSATING	CHORUS
31 CLASSIC SLAP	TAPE ECHO
32 AREYOUTHERE	CRYSTALS
33 DARK CAVE	HALL
34 SQUARE CHOPPER	TREMOLOPAN
35 LONG VINTAGE H9	VINTAGE DELAY
36 TOUCHED BY AN H9	SHIMMER
37 MOSQUITO	ULTRATAP
38 DISAPPEARING HAL	ULTRATAP
39 70S GUITAR CHORU	CHORUS
40 RECORD HEAD	TAPE ECHO
41 POWERCHORD	H910 H949
42 DELAYEDPLATE	HALL
43 HELLS GATE	SHIMMER
44 VINTAGE VOCAL	VINTAGE DELAY
45 SIZE MATTERS	SHIMMER
46 STUTTER	ULTRATAP
47 STEAMPUNK	CRYSTALS
48 CHORUS BUMPS	CHORUS
49 BE WOWED	TAPE ECHO
50 SHATTER	H910 H949
51 CARNEGIE HALL	HALL
52 SPECIAL AGENT FA	TREMOLOPAN
53 ROTTEN OLD DELAY	VINTAGE DELAY
54 SNEAKY VERB	SHIMMER
55 SLOWING DOWN	ULTRATAP
56 FROM A BAD DREAM	CRYSTALS
57 LIQUID SWEETENER	CHORUS
58 MULTI SLAP	TAPE ECHO
59 PHOTON BEAM	H910 H949
60 DOOM CHAMBER	HALL
61 ULTRASWELL	ULTRATAP
62 LO-REZ TRAIL	VINTAGE DELAY
63 QUASAR	SHIMMER
64 ZIPPERVERB	ULTRATAP
65 REVERSE DETUNE E	CRYSTALS
66 BIG CLONE	CHORUS
67 REELTOREEL	TAPE ECHO
68 INSANITY BUILD	H910 H949
69 PHANTOM VERB	HALL
70 FLUTTER TREM	TREMOLOPAN
71 SLAPVINTAGE	VINTAGE DELAY
72 DARK ANGELS	SHIMMER
73 CHOPHALL	ULTRATAP
74 PITCH A LA V	CRYSTALS
75 CLASSIC CHORUS	VINTAGE DELAY
76 FLUTTERWOW	TAPE ECHO
77 RISING SWIM	H910 H949
78 VAPOR TRAIL	HALL
79 PULSING TREM	TREMOLOPAN
80 LONG OLD DELAYS	VINTAGE DELAY
81 NEROS ASCENT	SHIMMER
82 SIX PULSING	ULTRATAP
83 REVERSELOWS	CRYSTALS
84 HUH FLANGE	ULTRATAP
85 UBETTERRUN	VINTAGE DELAY
86 BACKING VOCAL	H910 H949
87 PANOROMANCE	HALL
88 PANNING TREMO	TREMOLOPAN
89 NICE OLD ECHOES	VINTAGE DELAY
90 GUNSHOT SNARE	SHIMMER
91 FOLLOW ME	ULTRATAP
92 CLOCKWORX	ULTRATAP
93 NANO STUDDER	ULTRATAP
94 TAPEDRONE	TAPE ECHO
95 WEIRDBASS	CRYSTALS
96 SYNTH GHOSTS	ULTRATAP
97 BULLFROG	ULTRATAP
98 TAPSLAP	ULTRATAP
99 GLITCHTRIGGER	ULTRATAP

[Bzerk]

Thank you very much for your answer.

I saw the list of preset, there are a lot I really want… Can I use someone else ios device to buy an algo?

Will my device tied to the iphone? Or the algo tied to the iphone?

Or is the iphone just a way to pay then the algo is tied to my device and account and if somedays you release H9 control for android I will seed everything I already paid on the android app?

If it is the case, I would be great, I could borrow a ios device while waiting to use H9 control on my phone and tablet (android is quite popular here, in europe).

[gkellum]

Yes, you can use someone else's iOS device to buy an algorithm.  Apple's iTunes Connect is just a way to pay for an algorithm.  The information about the purchase goes to Eventide's server, and the algorithm is connected to your Eventide account.  So, yes, when we later release an Android app, when you connect to an H9, it will ask you for your Eventide account information and it will go and get all of your purchased algorithms from Eventide and show them on your Android device.  This is the way it works on the desktop versions of H9 Control as well…

[Bzerk]

Great!

Thank you very much for your answers. I will try to borrow an ios device today.

[wilkinsi]

Now if we could have these presets added to the Eclipse…

[gkellum]

Bzerk:

I saw the list of preset, there are a lot I really want… Can I use someone else ios device to buy an algo?

Did you mean you saw the list of algorithms and there were a lot that you want?  Because the list of presets that I posted above are all of the presets that come standard with an H9.  You should have all of those presets already…

[Bzerk]

Sorry, I meant algorithms… I borrowed an iphone and got the free algo yesterday. I choose the Quadravox, Amazing!

I saw that there is some documentation about the midi sysex protocol for the factor pedals. Is it the same protocol for the H9 or will you release some doc about it?

I found a nice trick, I configured my FCB 1010 to help in tweaking the parameters for the H9.

Each of the 10 footswich select a parameter (from  KB0 to KB9) and the right expression pedal set the value of the choosen parameter. It works!

Now, If I have time, I will write a small software to do it with my tablet. It will be more convenient than on the device itself (but if your android soft is around the corner, I'd rather not waste my time on that).

Having such a good and documented midi implementation is really cool.

I wrote ElevenHack, a free rig loader to the Eleven Rack, and I can tell you that guessing the whole sysex protocol and the binary file format had been a nightmare. When I saw that you document even your sysex messages, I was ecstatic 🙂

I used the H9 for the first time with my band yesterday…  made a big impression !.

[gkellum]

Bzerk:

I found a nice trick, I configured my FCB 1010 to help in tweaking the parameters for the H9.

Each of the 10 footswich select a parameter (from  KB0 to KB9) and the right expression pedal set the value of the choosen parameter. It works!

That's really clever. I wouldn't have thought that would be possible with a FCB 1010.

The H9 supports the same MIDI protocol as the Factor pedals;  so that document you found is the best source of documentation for it.  We'll have to copy that over to the documentation section for the H9 and check to see if it needs any updating.

H9 Control itself uses a different MIDI sysex protocol, but the protocol H9 Control uses is encrypted to make it impossible for anyone to connect to your device over Bluetooth and start messing with it. Because of the encryption, it's not possible for other applications to use it, but I don't think there would be any advantage to using it anyway over the existing MIDI sysex protocol.

Bzerk:

Now, If I have time, I will write a small software to do it with my tablet. It will be more convenient than on the device itself (but if your android soft is around the corner, I'd rather not waste my time on that).

I'm not sure how you would define "around the corner", but we aren't working on the Android version right now.  The next release is going to have the in app store functionality for the desktop builds of H9 Control and it's going to have a new algorithm.

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