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July 4, 2019 at 2:23 pm #115412logicbdjParticipant
FYI… if you’re not into watching/listening to the entire demo, I encourage you to put on headphones and tune in around 10:15 for a sample composition with various Rose settings that was recorded with the Hooke Verse 3D audio headphones… listen as the binaural sounds swirl around your head!
Eventide is known for its digital effects, but this time the company has integrate analog with digital, thus resulting in a warmer and more organic sound (as opposed to its crystal clear digital fare). The dry path is analog, as is the Mix, Filter and Feedback components of this delay/modulation pedal.
The sounds produced range significantly. You can create very short delays in slap-back territory, but add in some modulation and the Rose becomes a chorus pedal. As with any delay there is a Feedback (repeat) knob, but also a low-pass Filter knob so that the effect can have a higher or lower pitch, great if you want the effect to jump out in the mix (more treble) or remain dark and mysterious in the background (more bass). Modulation shape can vary with a Sine, Square, Envelope or Random wave while affecting the Rate (pulse) and, of course, the overall Mix. One of my favorite features is the Infinite Repeat, which is like a freeze button (however, if you play over the freeze you do not hear the pedal’s effect – only a dry signal). To add to the diversity of the sound, there is a Reverse button, and also a Delay Multiply button, so that you can produce a 2x, 3x, 4x and 5x repeat for some very spacey time effects. Eventide did not stop there. You can save five presets, but each has an A/B option (which means two patches per preset). What makes this cool is that although you can switch between A and B with the Hotswitch footswitch, you also can morph the two with an Expression Pedal, thus producing some ultra-unique sounds limited only by your imagination.
A combination of analog with digital, the dry path, mix, filter and feedback are analog, whereas the delay and modulation are digital. You can create utterly unique and fabulous sounds with delays that range from 10ms to 10 seconds, and even adding a reverse delay or inverting (flip phase) the delayed signal; and add a delay multiply (2x to 5x) for delays that last up to 50 seconds. Although you can achieve a lot of different delay ranges and results, when combined with the modulation component delays can range from subtle (chorus-like) to freaky spacey. Modulation includes sine, square, envelope and random waves that sweep from ½ to 2x the standard delay time, simultaneously modulating pitch across a full octave +/- (while controlling the depth and rate of the modulation). Both delay and modulation are controlled further with the Mix knob, but also the low-pass Filter knob (so that the wet signal ranges from a lot of treble vs. a lot of bass… clear or subdued). You can save 5 presets, although each has an A/B switching option (moreover, if using an expression pedal you can morph between the A and B settings). The Hotswitch footswitch can be assigned to different operations, including tap tempo, infinite repeat, LFO hold, LFO reset and A/B switching (in case you don’t have an expression pedal and want to flip between settings). Some additional features of the Rose include USB (for MIDI, software updates and to be used as a preset manager), a TRS input (for expression, auxiliary switch or MIDI), a selectable bypass (relay, buffered or input kill), and finally an input level select switch (line/instrument). At $349 USD the Rose brings with it a hefty price-tag, but compared to other high-end delays (with modulation and all the features of the Rose) you get a lot of bang for the buck and some very unique sounds.Show More...Show Less...
It will take a day of discovery to learn all the ins-and-outs, but a little bit of patience will make it all worth the effort as you can produce some utterly unique modulated delay effects. I won’t cover everything, but will go through some general guidelines. The delay knob allows you to select a ‘range’ by pushing down then turning the knob (the ‘range’ places you in a general area, e.g., 500ms delay); you then adjust the knob (without pushing) to fine-tune the milliseconds. Once you have a delay time you like (keep in mind you can tap tempo) you then can add a Reverse to the delay, besides adjust the Feedback (repeats) and even add a Delay Multiply (so that you hear your delay 2x to 5x). The amount of delay also is significant, ranging from 10ms to 10 seconds – add in a Delay Multiply the delay continues for nearly a minute even after you stop playing. Assign the Infinite Repeat to the Hotswitch and the signal will repeat forever (until you press the Hotswitch a second time, thus allowing the effect to trail off). Speaking of Hotswitch, you can assign many things to this footswitch besides an Infinite Repeat – you can use it as a tap tempo, use it to hold the modulation effect or reset the modulation (turn it on/off), and also use it to switch from a Preset’s A and B settings. In regard to the last assignment, if you have an expression pedal you can switch from A and B settings of a preset (heel down vs. toe down), but also morph the two into some fantastic sound-scapes (as you play and rock the treadle). The Modulation aspect of the Rose allows you to add various shapes to the delay tone, including a Sine, Square, Envelope or Random wave. You can adjust the depth of that shape, as well as its Rate (for a very slow wave to a fast pulse, as indicated by the Rose LED flashing to the set pulse or rhythm). Both the Delay and Modulation aspects can have a higher treble or bass response, whether you want it to be prominent and cut through the mix or remain dark and warm. And, of course, you can adjust the overall Mix so that even a complex sounding modulated delay remains nothing more than a hint in your tone.
The Rose is a medium sized stomp-box, measuring 115 mm (W) x 120 mm (D) x 60mm (H) or (4.5 x 4.7 x 2.37 inches). The input impedance is 600K ohms (mono) and its output 470 ohms (mono). The heavy duty chassis has purple/pink top with a dark grey base. The six editing buttons are of heavy plastic and would withstand normal use and abuse. The two footswitches (Active and Hotswitch) are soft switches, viz., no click when engaged or disengaged – there is no popping or significant signal noise when switching. All inputs (cable inputs/outputs, expression pedal, USB, MIDI and power input) are located in the back of the Rose to save on pedalboard space and to prevent possible damage from regular stomping use. Any LED lights are low profile and are safe from damage from regular use. The Rose requires a 9VDC power supply while consuming 500mA of power – however, this pedal also comes with its own power supply.
July 9, 2019 at 12:16 pm #152288skywriterParticipant
Thank you for the review! One piece of info that is especially useful to the approx 8% of color blind males, and the smaller number of color blind females is LED Type, Color and function. For us, the colors produced many Bi and Tri color LEDS are in many cases are indistinguishable from each other – even under ideal circumstances. Moog did this with their MoogerFooger’s, and the LEDS are virtually useless.
July 9, 2019 at 12:28 pm #152289logicbdjParticipant
I could be wrong, but I don’t know if the different colors even mean anything beyond being decorative. It could be pulsating white, and when I tweak one of the waves (from sine to square) it could change to blue. I never coordinated colors with functions and the manual does not refer to any such thing.
July 10, 2019 at 3:10 pm #152306brockParticipantlogicbdj wrote:I could be wrong, but I don’t know if the different colors even mean anything beyond being decorative. It could be pulsating white, and when I tweak one of the waves (from sine to square) it could change to blue. I never coordinated colors with functions and the manual does not refer to any such thing.
The Rose / rose color reflects what you have selected in the Shape LED ladder.
From memory (so 100% accuracy might suffer):
- Blue is sine wav modulation.
- Yellow is square wav modulation.
- The envelope follower fades from green to off with input signal strength.
- Purple is smooth shift random modulation.
- External is light blue. The rate or expression pedal position.
The intensity and/or rate is more important (to me) than the colors, and the selected modulation is always indicated in the Shape ladder. Although … I can hardly read those labels, especially in a darkened venue, so it’s helpful to memorize the mod sequence. I don’t recall the red / green switch functions offhand. Pretty much Active status & tap or internal / external LFO settings, if I’m not mistaken.
July 9, 2019 at 9:17 pm #152302skywriterParticipant
Thanks for the follow up logicbdj!
From the quick the reference guide there is a control with red/green encoding and another with red/green/yellow. Unfortunately, without the unit in front of me, it’s not clear how these operate, or what they are specifically for. All I get is a vague notion this implementation is not for color blind folks – like the moogerfoogers – so I sadly won’t be purchasing one..
July 9, 2019 at 9:27 pm #152303skywriterParticipant
Going over it again, it looks like the functions associated with the hot switch red/green state dependence would be the only problem. Unfortunately, that’s a lot.
The whole red/green/amber/yellow LED thing is a complete mess these days. White and blue and OK – but way too bright for studio and some live applications.
July 9, 2019 at 10:35 pm #152304logicbdjParticipant
I must have missed that… I was more focused on getting it to operate and getting out of it what I wanted. I never paid much attention to the colors and what they represented. I faired well without even considering the colors, and so I wouldn’t limit a purchase based on that. Insofar as the rose LED, I was more concerned about the pulse rate.
July 10, 2019 at 9:24 pm #152308logicbdjParticipant
Also… since presets can be saved and recalled, I wouldn’t think a person would need to ‘read’ the small printing to know what wave is and isn’t selected, etc.
July 11, 2019 at 1:36 am #152311skywriterParticipant
Thanks for the breakdown of the ladder coding brock. It seems there’s an easy work around with the (monochromatic?) ladder indicators. The description of the delay/LFO mode of the hot switch red/green LED seems to indicate an ambiguity concerning the mode without the LED indication (i.e. you have to remember which mode you’re in without the LED).
July 11, 2019 at 3:26 pm #152318brockParticipant
I’ll add a general impression here. It took me a while to get to this point; wanting to quantify & notate every function & parameter in the Rose pedal. My initial attempts were frustrating, with Rose being the poster child for multifunction switching & LEDs. But that was the wrong approach.
Rose is intended to be tweaked. Hands on. Not an exact science. Once I embraced that flow, I discovered the true depth & power of the Rose. And all the happy accidents that go with it.
May 15, 2020 at 5:32 am #154876jacParticipant
Can you go into more detail about relay, buffered or input kill modes?
May 22, 2020 at 1:53 pm #154936brockParticipant
This explains the bypass modes much better that I can:
November 18, 2020 at 1:09 am #156290Kristal_RoseMember
I’m wishing the tiny ladder LED’s each had different colors as well. I love the color rose. – While it never even occurred to me that color blind people are out there in all my years of interface and device design (I’ll keep it in mind in the future) some of us, especially people with ADD, certainly myself, practically think in color the way other people think in words. I have colors assigned to values, urgency, emotions, activity types, you name it, and a spread sheet would be difficult to make sense of and see as a whole or find things in if not for every cell being color coded to represent it’s content or value.
Also, like my Cerberus overdrive, I love that I can see from several feet away what function is active. (I’m quite happy about my Zoia for the same reason).
Plus I design midi light-show animations so that colors can reflect pitches and patch timbres. Color is hugely important to some of us.
November 18, 2020 at 1:55 am #156291Kristal_RoseMember
On the subject of reviews, I probably would have sadly missed out on this pedal if I had not encountered the Brett Kingman and Pete Thorn demo reviews. In fact I had dismissed it nearly a year earlier. It sounded like something I was looking for in theory but the demos I had run into at the time weren’t doing it justice. A sublime pedal requires a skilled musician-engineer to show off how to synergize rather than obfuscate their technique. Fortunately I was just researching to make sure a pedal process I’m designing hadn’t been done yet (it hasn’t) and ran into those demos.
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