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    • #111576
      bronzejames2
      Participant

      Is there anything in the works for a univibe effect to be in the h9? I'd say its a very important!!

    • #125849
      marcusm750
      Member

      [crickets chirping]

      Yeah, a convincing and realistic Uni-Vibe algo has been requested for years, basically since the initial release of the ModFactor.  Just search the forum archives and you'll see for yourself.  One would think this would be a priority with the H9, but Eventide seems either unwilling or unable to develop such an algo.  (Don't feel bad, Big E, I find the Fulltone, MXR and other Uni-Vibes to be pale imitations of the original Shin-ei as well.)

    • #125853
      gkellum
      Participant

      People have posted various presets for a Univibe sound using the Phaser algorithm on the gearpage. Have you all tried those?  I'd be interested in hearing how they measured up to your expectations.  

      For example here's one from the H9 Owners thread

      * Ken replied on 24 Mar 2009 11:48 PM rated by 0 users
      Phaser
      Intensity=48
      Type=Positive
      Depth=25
      Speed=1.65
      Shape=Sine
      Xnob=Stags-2
      D-Mod=45
      Smod=28
      ModRate=.25×5

      How does this measure up to your expectations?  A lot of people have been asking for a Univibe.  I guess we need to gauge whether people think they can get close enough to the sound they want with one of the current algorithms or do we need a dedicated Univibe algorithm?


    • #125863
      marcusm750
      Member

      Fair enough, gkellum.  Since I threw the gauntlet down…

      Yes, I've tried the Lou-nivibe (12:2) in the ModFactor as well as the Fulltone and MXR models against a vintage (borrowed) Shin-ei Uni-Vibe and my own home-built unit based upon the original circuitry.  All "challengers" sound flatter with not as much lumpiness or lop-sidedness even with the intensity turned to maximum.  They're not bad, they just don't go far enough into the hippy, trippy territory.

      The original Shin-ei Uni-Vibe was a four-stage phaser which employed light-sensitive resistors (LSRs) driven by a lamp and LFO to control the phase sweeps.  The first three cascaded stages had the same notch frequency while the fourth had a slightly higher notch and didn't sweep as far (it also buffered the phased signal before hitting the mixer).  Since the LSRs were not matched (as far as I know), the sweeping was slightly different which created pleasant beat frequencies that a two-stage simply cannot recreate.  All the other remakes (with the exception of the out-of-production Dunlop Uni-Vibe which copied the original circuit including the LSRs) use FETs which, while having a similar transfer function as the LSRs, are too close in their variances/tolerances to create the sometimes-very intense beats of the original.

      Perhaps if the phaser algorithm was expanded to include four stages with "intentional" (and possibly controllable) variances in their notches and sweeps, the same level of warble and beating could be achieved.

    • #125871
      cormallen
      Participant

      Hi there,

      I just compared that phaser patch against my Castledine SupraVibe (reckoned to be one of the more faithful univibe clones) to see how close they were… and the short answer is: they're absolutely nothing like each other.  The vibe is a much stronger effect than the H9 patch, and a lot more interesting to listen to.

      (I don't have a horse in this particular race: I'm quite content with my current setup and was doing this purely out of interest).

    • #137528
      marcusm750
      Member

      So I recently borrowed/stole another vintage Shin-ei Uni-Vibe from the studio where I work part time (equipment maintenance).  All I can say is WHOA!  My usual setting for Trower/Hendrix (and Gilmour) was waaaaaaay too aggressive and pronounced.  Had to back the Intensity control down two full notches to get back to familiar territory.

      In comparing this unit with my home-brewed clone (based upon the previous Shin-ei unit I borrowed/stole), the fixed component values didn't seem to be that far off even with 10% resistor and cap tolerances through 40 years of aging.  Didn't beta test the transistors, obviously, but I would expect them to be similar.  Using a 1 kHz sine wave as a test signal between this unit and my clone, it appears the second-stage phaser is "hotter" as is the fourth-stage phaser/vibrato section.

      This reinforces my hypothesis that the LSRs were not matched originally and have gone through inconsistent aging, resulting in some units being "sweeter" than others with more pleasant lumpiness and lopsidedness from the beat frequencies.  (Not a surprising result when comparing vintage gear built with looser components and, sometimes, what was available at the time.)

      Back to the Lou-nivibe in the ModFactor (which I recently acquired again): in direct comparisons, it's just too "perfect" without the lumps!  I don't know how else to describe it.  Sure, it gets hippy trippy but no where near the stoner haze of yesteryear.  IMHO, having the four stages with "adjustable sloppiness" for the modeled LSRs would provide the characteristic sound of the original and should justify a new algorithm for the H9.  Thanks for your further consideration (and putting up with my rants).

    • #137534
      KCStratman
      Participant

      Marcusm750, how about using two ModFactors or H9s to get four stages of effect? I also have been underwhelmed by the Lounivibe preset and phaser variations for a real univibe sound. Any suggestions for parameters for two units to achieve the effect you describe? Or, how about a combination of the phaser with another algorithm to induce the "wobble" to the oscillation? There is something of a contest for the best (truest) univibe effect on another very serious forum I frequent – – yes, ET Mothership, authentic univibe is a very desired retro effect eminently worthy of your emulation – – and I would love to be able to pop in with the clear winner from an H9 or two! Maybe this is yet another great reason for a dual engine "H99"…with a bigger display and more external controls!

    • #137539
      marcusm750
      Member

      It's a good idea, KCStratman, and one that I've thought of before to slake my insatiable lust of that Uni-Vibe sound.  I think with four stages of phasing set slightly off from each other, the lumpiness I'm desperately seeking may present itself.  The only thing holding me back is that I don't have a second ModFactor nor an H9 (yet!) to try this out.  While the studio has a couple H3000s, they're older models and, more so, I think they'd notice the gaping hole in the rack.  (I can't get the equipment manager to splurge for an Eclipse, not that he'd let me tuck it under my arm one evening!)  They do have an MXR Auto-Phaser of dubious condition in the closet so perhaps I can see if it works to add to the ModFactor as a preliminary indicator of this potential.

    • #137554
      marcusm750
      Member

      OK, so I nicked a friend's MXR Phase 45 to try with the ModFactor.  For the few not in the know, the Phase 45 is a two-stage phaser with just a simple speed knob.  Ran guitar –> Phase 45 –> ModFactor on default Lou-nivibe settings.  Set the speed by ear as close to the 2.8 Hz of the Lou but, obviously, they're not in sync like in the real Uni-Vibe.  It didn't really work, because they weren't in sync, but the results were quite interesting, even if over the top and too much.  When the two would briefly sweep together, it was closer to the target sound than just the Lou alone.  But when they were sweeping against each other, way too much fast w-w-w-w-w-warble.  Similar to going to four stages via the Xnob on the Lou setting (even when the speed is reduced a bit).

      It was an interesting experiment that really shows all four stages need to be swept together (as the four LSRs in the common light box driven from the one lamp ensures).  With two ModFactors or two H9s, I'm not sure if tap tempo via MIDI would be the proper way to sync them.  Even if this were possible, it may be too "perfect" as well since the slight differences in response times of the LSRs, while keeping the stages moving together, provide some variance to make the overall effect more rich and interesting.  I've noticed too that when either the real-deal Uni-Vibe or my clone was engaged for some time, the effect would change (the speed seemed to increase ever so slightly) so I wonder if the lamp's response changes a little as it gets warmer over time.

      Back to the drawing board to think about this some more.  I guess I'll flip back to my Binson Echorec clone (four BBD delay lines with extended but equally-spaced times out to about 500 msec, toggle switches to select any combination of the four delays, cascaded FET preamp) for a while!

    • #139893
      rlynch
      Member

      +1 ………come on eventide give us a killer accurate univibe algo. Its one of the greatest effects ever produced.

    • #139968
      DFToone
      Member

      +2. 

      It doesn’t look like this issue is going to go away.  I’d like to have a great Univibe effect on the Modfactor and the H9.

    • #140027
      gchilders
      Participant

      I just sold my Dunlop Uni-Vibe, figuring I could get something close enough on the H9.  I played around with the presets and settings in the phaser and rotary algorithms, but the Uni-vibe’s tone proved elusive.  A really cool reference point for a Uni-vibe tone is Pink Floyd’s “Breathe In the Air.”  Hwew is a version with the drums, bass, and vocals removed where you can really hear Gilmour’s tone:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxjTwVN5w4Y

      It would be pretty amazing to have a great Uni-Vibe tone on the H9. 

      • #140029
        rlynch
        Member
        gchilders wrote:

        I just sold my Dunlop Uni-Vibe, figuring I could get something close enough on the H9.  I played around with the presets and settings in the phaser and rotary algorithms, but the Uni-vibe’s tone proved elusive.  A really cool reference point for a Uni-vibe tone is Pink Floyd’s “Breathe In the Air.”  Hwew is a version with the drums, bass, and vocals removed where you can really hear Gilmour’s tone:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxjTwVN5w4Y

        It would be pretty amazing to have a great Uni-Vibe tone on the H9. 

        I agree totally now if they would listen to the customer request’s ??? f.y.i..I tried a lot of univibes all the top units even the drybell. I thought the drybell sounded way to phasey finally picked up a jam pedal retrovibe.BINGO! the only one I found that was as good was the 500.00 voodoo vibe.

         

    • #140028
      rlynch
      Member

      I think its pretty silly that eventide has not brought a great univibe out yet. wonder what the problem is and why we have waited so long with tons of request seems no one is listening. the phaser algos will NEVER work its not even close. come on guys make this happen for your customers your Eventide for God’s sakes!!

      f.y.i…Strymon has one, not that good but at least its there.

    • #140030
      rlynch
      Member

      its almost 2016 and still no univibe?

    • #140031
      spaceJam
      Member

      Never been fan of univibe but I guess it would be nice (and simple for Eventide) to have one.

       

       

      I like what they did with the DynaVerb algorithm in the Space that when you put the “decay” knob to 0 it becomes in the OmniPressor.

       

      I guess they could do something like that in the Chorus or the Vibrato algorithm.

    • #140032
      jgoldbach
      Participant

      Right now there's nothing to report on a possible UniVibe algorithm. Can't say much more than that but we are listening.

    • #140033
      rlynch
      Member

      something like tc electronics new vibe effect would be cool should be easy cheesy for eventide to pull off and maybe give it a eventide spin with a panning left/right dual amp stereo feature. thanks glad your listening……… now about that Boss pn-2 type panning algo that would be awesome effect to add to any preset… 🙂

       

    • #140034
      DFToone
      Member

      Eventide staff,

      Thanks for reading and checking in.  I’d like to comment again.  I really don’t mean to sound contentious.  I like Eventide products a lot, and you have no obligation to provide a product just because the customers ask for it.  You make what you want to make, and we buy what we want to buy.  But to say there is “nothing to report” and “we are listening” isn’t anything new or helpful.  That is basically what Eventide said at the beginning of this thread more than a year ago.

      I would like a nice Univibe effect.  I would rather not have to add another pedal to my board to get it.  It seems to make sense on the Modfactor and H9, but if you’re not going to do it, I would prefer that you just said that so I can move on.

      • Is Eventide even working on a Univibe effect to add to one of the existing products?  (Or a new product?)
      • Is Eventide unable to produce a satisfactoy Univibe effect for some reason?
      • Have you decided not to offer Univibe but just don’t want to make an announcement?

      Just looking for clarity.  Thanks.

      • #140048
        jgoldbach
        Participant
        DFToone wrote:

        Just looking for clarity.  Thanks.

        I'm sorry it's been such a trial and that we haven't been able to say more. We're not trying to be coy or make life difficult, we just don't disclose what we are and aren't working on. There are a number of reasons why, but none of them are aimed at frustrating or ignoring a customer. I'm sure you understand. Maybe someone above my pay grade can answer your questions more directly. 

    • #140035
      Chaz
      Participant

      Funny that today I decided to look for a Univibe effects pedal because I have not been happy with the Lounivibe preset. Just happen to see  this post. Yes, I would like to see Eventide come out with a univibe algorithim. That would make life a lot sweeter!

    • #140170
      PBGas
      Participant

      I’ll add in that I would love a univibe preset as well.  Thanks to Eventide for listening!  I’m sure they will be coming up with some new and great things for these awesome pedals!  So happy with both of them on my board.  Never had a better and easy to use setup!   

      Keep up the great work, Eventide and thanks for listening! 

    • #142110
      kcardita
      Member

      Just want to add my $.02 – as a happy owner of 2 H9 pedels ( Max+Standard) and one who is wanting an authentic univibe sound , I really don’t want to drop another $300+ to get “that sound”.

      Heres the Challenge ….

      Having read up on the original Univibe and having an understanding of both analog electronics (BSEE by degree)  and DSP programming ( many years a coder and having managed a team of DSP coders)  I realize the difficult engineering task it is to emulate the unique analog circuitry of a univibe in the digital domain.  In fact, all of the currently manufactured “best of breed”  univibes are ALL analog.  (Note: The only decent, but not considered best of breed DSP/digital one that I have found is the one by TC)

      From what I have observed EVENTIDE == Studio quality – best in breed effects .

      Speculation …

      My guess is that the R&D team has worked on and/or is working on it, but that the powers that decide what becomes a product have not been happy with the results and that it is still under development.

      Finally  I realize that all high tech companies never disclose what is in the development pipepline – legal departments never allow it 🙂

      Ever Hopeful …

      Having said all of that, I am sitting on the fence waiting hopeing that at the NAAM show that is in 2 weeks, EVENTIDE will make all of us insanely happy with an annoucement  or I will have to go by one of the best in breed pedals while I continue to wait….

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      Thanks for letting me get this off of my chest 🙂

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      • #142113
        DFToone
        Member
        kcardita wrote:

        Heres the Challenge ….

        Having read up on the original Univibe and having an understanding of both analog electronics (BSEE by degree)  and DSP programming ( many years a coder and having managed a team of DSP coders)  I realize the difficult engineering task it is to emulate the unique analog circuitry of a univibe in the digital domain.  In fact, all of the currently manufactured “best of breed”  univibes are ALL analog.  (Note: The only decent, but not considered best of breed DSP/digital one that I have found is the one by TC)

        I think this must be true.  I think Eventide would nail it if it were possible.  They probably just have not been able to develop something that they wanted to put their name on.

    • #142498
      ranchorock
      Member

      Hi eventide staff,

      are you working on a univebe algorith already? Last post from staff was a year ago, any good news?

      thank you

    • #142815
      ranchorock
      Member

      Any News on a Univibe Algorithm?

      Thank you

    • #142816
      dleuen
      Member

      Just wanted to add my voice to those wanting a Univibe.

    • #143212
      ranchorock
      Member

      Any news from staff working on univibe algorithm?

      Thank you

    • #143248
      javiceres
      Participant

      UniVibe, please, yeah.

      Phaser can get to sund similar, but it only can do so much, cool but still dfferent.

      When I’ve had the pleasure to Play an UniVibe I placed it before gain FX, so it could use an additional Comp fx for instance to make the algo even more desirable…

      But really I’ve been looking for an Eventide UniVibe since I checked there wasn’t on in the Mod Factor. And no phaser tricks neider mixed resonat analog filters will make a proper UniVibe. Actually I’ve turned down many analog pedals claiming to be UVibes because they sounded like mere tuned phasers.

    • #143250
      ranchorock
      Member

      Please Staff, say something

    • #143325
      richpjr
      Member

      Another plug for a Univibe!

    • #143870
      tombinasco
      Member

      Just got the H9 Max. Sounds good so far, but I’d love a UniVibe!

    • #144061
      LukeGibson
      Member

      Crickets Chirping…..

       

    • #144070
      BMW-KTM
      Participant

      I’m glad to know I’m not alone here.

      I guess the old heavy Fulltone Mini-DejaVibe II Treadle will remain on my pedalboard a while longer.

      I can’t live without my UniVive.

      The Fulltone treadle style is a really good one and I’m guessing it will be a tough act for Eventide to follow.

      Fingers crossed.

    • #144071
      gkellum
      Participant

      Sorry no one from Eventide has responded to this Univibe thread.  We've been talking about it, and we're planning on having someone take a look at this and try to figure out how hard of a modeling problem this will be.  This won't be our next algorithm, but given how many people have been asking for it, we're going to look into it.

      • #144072
        ranchorock
        Member
        gkellum wrote:

        Sorry no one from Eventide has responded to this Univibe thread.  We’ve been talking about it, and we’re planning on having someone take a look at this and try to figure out how hard of a modeling problem this will be.  This won’t be our next algorithm, but given how many people have been asking for it, we’re going to look into it.

         

        Thank you!!

      • #150260
        rograt
        Participant
        gkellum wrote:

        Sorry no one from Eventide has responded to this Univibe thread.  We've been talking about it, and we're planning on having someone take a look at this and try to figure out how hard of a modeling problem this will be.  This won't be our next algorithm, but given how many people have been asking for it, we're going to look into it.

        As an owner of an original 60s unit (and a few Fulltone versions) I would add that the half phaser, half chorus effect is crucial to me. The Boss MD500 does a passable simulation which I ride with the expression pedal. It was arguably the thing that tipped me towards the Boss unit and away from others. That said, there’s a low end throb that isn’t there when the speed is high so there’s scope for improvement.

    • #144073
      Chaz
      Participant

      Glad to see that Eventide is looking into users request. Hope to see something soonsmiley

    • #144074
      mcvittym
      Participant

      Very impressed with your willingness to engage with your customers.

    • #145602
      gilmouracadamy
      Participant

      Well, it’s been over a 1/2 year since the last message about this…where are we at with the Uni-vibe algo???

      • #145648
        javiceres
        Participant
        gilmouracadamy wrote:

        Well, it’s been over a 1/2 year since the last message about this…where are we at with the Uni-vibe algo???

         

        What about Univibe + echoPlex !?!

    • #146270
      smj
      Member

      Surely they’ve looked into it by now???

      Crickets….

      Sean Meredith-Jones
      http://www.seanmeredithjones.com

    • #146273
      rlynch
      Member

      Yeah best to just go buy a retrovibe or vibe machine and be done with it. Digital univibe will never sound as good anyway,unless eventide proves us all wrong 🙂

      • #146274
        smj
        Member

        I have the mjm sixties vibe big box version from several years ago but it’s a real estate hog… was hoping to gage an alternative to free up some space.

        Sean Meredith-Jones
        http://www.seanmeredithjones.com

        rlynch wrote:

        Yeah best to just go buy a retrovibe or vibe machine and be done with it. Digital univibe will never sound as good anyway,unless eventide proves us all wrong 🙂

    • #146308
      aviavi
      Participant

      Yes, another vote. This would be a useful addition.

    • #146344
      st.bede
      Member

      I have to thiink that it is not possible for Eventide to get a high enough quality sound for a univibe algo.I am ok with that. I would rather have quuality over filler. I guess around a year ago I just went out and bought a Fulltone Deja Vibe.  

    • #146350
      kcardita
      Member

      I posted on this thread about a year ago — since then I have purchased a DryBell Vibe Machine — a most awesome analog vibe pedal.  I got tired of waiting on Eventide.

      I recently aquired a Fractal Audio Axe Fx II XL — it has a very usable digital vibe implementation.   I am working a doing a side by side comparison video.  So with enought DSP power and programming it can be done ……

    • #146378
      Chalky
      Participant

      I recently bought an Atomic AMpliFIre guitar modeler and tried a very convincing UnivIbe patch submitted to the Atomic forum… it was explained that a univibe is basically a four stage phaser…it is certainly convincing playing Trower and Hendrix material, and I have gone thru a few lesser univibe pedals (MXR, Voodoo, Line 6, Lovepedal…). I don’t have my H9 yet but when I get it I’ll have a look see if I can replicate that AmpliFIre recipe for H9.

    • #147290
      nitefly
      Member

      Id love a juicy thick Univibe algo. Please

    • #147345
      llemtt
      Participant

      Years have passed and I’m still here ready to trigger the “ModFactor/H9 buy button” but lack of Univibe still forbid’s it!

      btw in the meantime I developed a good (to my ears it sounds at least a little better than an MXR M68…) but low dsp consuming univibe algorithm that I run on my diy pedal…

    • #147518
      Hermetech
      Participant

      I also want a Univibe algo.

    • #148902
      Lorestone
      Member

      I am another Modfactor owner hoping for a Univibe algorithm. I would gladly give up the many unused (and to me useless) algorithms for a good Vibe. It’s obviuosly an in demand effect. The Strymon Mobius has a Vibe setting. 

    • #148923
      bansta
      Participant

      Even Boss MS-3 has a cool UniVibe-Algorithm 🙁

    • #149326
      davebrubaker
      Participant

      It’s been four (count ’em) years since this thread began. I’ve got three H9s, so I’m obviously an Eventide fan. So, yes, it woud be great to have a proper univibe algo for the H9. But four years is a long, long time. So I won’t hold my breath. I’m intigued by KC’s idea of using multiple H9s (or MFs) to try and get something close or more interesting. I doubt I have the knowledge to do it properly, (and I don’t have room for any more pedals on my board.) BUT if any of you who own two or more H9s/MFs have any suggestions that would be amazing. Maybe Eventide has a new algo for us in time for summer NAMM?

    • #149356
      marcusm750
      Member

      I am sorry, Eventide, for what I have unleashed here.  To be perfectly honest, I don’t even play in a Pink Floyd cover band anymore so I no longer use Univibe at all.  Still have my Shin-ei clones and the studio still has the “real deal.”  I promise not to ask for this any more!  smiley

    • #149979
      BakerySpecial
      Member

      Soooo….. Hows the Uni-vibe algo comming? 🙂

      • #149980
        bansta
        Participant

        Bump 🙂

        BakerySpecial wrote:

        Soooo….. Hows the Uni-vibe algo comming? 🙂

    • #149994
      nitefly
      Member
      bronzejames2 wrote:

      Is there anything in the works for a univibe effect to be in the h9? I’d say its a very important!!

      Come on you lovely Eventide Boffins you can spend months on crappy distortion and fuzz stuff when what

      we really want is a nice univibe, reworked chorus and some nice chewy flangers.

      • #149998
        flamefork
        Member
        nitefly wrote:

        […] crappy distortion and fuzz stuff when what we really want […]

        I know at least 2 people plus me who use H9 for dirt algos ~90% of time. And they’re far from being crappy, IMO.

      • #150003
        mistercharlie
        Participant
        flamefork wrote:
        nitefly wrote:

        […] crappy distortion and fuzz stuff when what we really want […]

        I know at least 2 people plus me who use H9 for dirt algos ~90% of time. And they’re far from being crappy, IMO.

        Agreed. H9 dirt is fantastic. Especially when passed through an analog dirt pedal.

        It seems like folks who are so deep into perfect Univibe clones should just buy a Univibe clone.

        Don’t get me wrong — I love a good vibe. But the H9’s strength is exploiting digital tech to make new sounds, not to copy old ones that have already been copied well enough already.

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      • #150069
        bansta
        Participant

        … and what about a switching lag by all this dirt algos?

        mistercharlie wrote:
        flamefork wrote:

        nitefly wrote:

        […] crappy distortion and fuzz stuff when what we really want […]

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        I know at least 2 people plus me who use H9 for dirt algos ~90% of time. And they’re far from being crappy, IMO.

        Agreed. H9 dirt is fantastic. Especially when passed through an analog dirt pedal. It seems like folks who are so deep into perfect Univibe clones should just buy a Univibe clone. Don’t get me wrong — I love a good vibe. But the H9’s strength is exploiting digital tech to make new sounds, not to copy old ones that have already been copied well enough already.

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    • #150494
      bansta
      Participant

      Sad-sad-sad… a new firmware version has been released but still any trace from univibe… :(((

      • #150498
        nitefly
        Member
        bansta wrote:

        Sad-sad-sad… a new firmware version has been released but still any trace from univibe… :(((

        “But we have a really usefull synth algo”… he said cynically whilst wiping an small tear from the corner of his eye.

      • #150771
        Inactive
        nitefly wrote:
        bansta wrote:

        Sad-sad-sad… a new firmware version has been released but still any trace from univibe… :(((

        “But we have a really usefull synth algo”… he said cynically whilst wiping an small tear from the corner of his eye.

         

        Yes, and now we don’t need to run out and all buy keytars. cool

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    • #150501
      llemtt
      Participant

      Given the Eventide algorithm philosophy it will never happen…

      Can you mention an Eventide algorithm named “Electric Mistress”, “Leslie”, “Carbon Copy”, “Fuzz Face”,…

      Eventide algorithms are more general, more tweakable, more innovative,… I don’t know any of them developed to replicate the sound of a specific “effect”.

      The Univibe is actually a four stage phaser but unfortunately the Phaser algorithm is not tweakable enough to truly sound like an Univibe.

      A Phaser with control to individually spacing and modulation of the notches will come really close to the Univibe sound.

      cheers

       

      • #150525
        nitefly
        Member
        llemtt wrote:

        Given the Eventide algorithm philosophy it will never happen…

        Can you mention an Eventide algorithm named “Electric Mistress”, “Leslie”, “Carbon Copy”, “Fuzz Face”,…

        Eventide algorithms are more general, more tweakable, more innovative,… I don’t know any of them developed to replicate the sound of a specific “effect”.

        The Univibe is actually a four stage phaser but unfortunately the Phaser algorithm is not tweakable enough to truly sound like an Univibe.

        A Phaser with control to individually spacing and modulation of the notches will come really close to the Univibe sound.

        cheers

         

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        As a long time user of their products I wouldnt say they have a philosophy of copying stuff, Im not looking for a shinei knock off, I just want a simple 4 stage phaser with vibrato  that is useable. The vibraphaser doesnt cut the mustard. check back in the forum for updated delays and you’ll find a reworking of the ‘vintage delay’alg and the pure joy it brought for timefactor owners ( I still think its the best delay they have). Getting back to philosophy, I can remember some 8 years ago and you can check it out here, that we as a community asked them for a VerbFactor, or something of that kind and we eventually got ‘Space’ so asking for something can pay off.

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    • #150744
      Jonkaille
      Member

      maybe i can help you guys. I’m a big fan of univibe, but don’t want to get another dedicated pedal on my board. 

      I can achieve a very nice, organic uni vibe sound using the lunivibe preset, and a EHX small stone.

      For better result, i push my amp a little bit so it’s start to naturally overdrive, then add a little bit of spring reverb and if i want more, i add some delay (i own an old space echo that do the job).

      I bought the H9 to replace my space echo when i gig outside home, it does the job very well and beyond. 

      I may get another H9 soon i guess

      • #150766
        mjahoger
        Member
        Jonkaille wrote:

        maybe i can help you guys. I’m a big fan of univibe, but don’t want to get another dedicated pedal on my board. 

        I can achieve a very nice, organic uni vibe sound using the lunivibe preset, and a EHX small stone.

        For better result, i push my amp a little bit so it’s start to naturally overdrive, then add a little bit of spring reverb and if i want more, i add some delay (i own an old space echo that do the job).

        I bought the H9 to replace my space echo when i gig outside home, it does the job very well and beyond. 

        I may get another H9 soon i guess

         

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        Thanks for your suggestion. I have 2 H9s and will have a look whether a Small-stone like preset in the second H9 will give me similar results. Do you already have a Smallstone-like preset for the H9?

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    • #150747
      Jonkaille
      Member

      I’v recorded some stuff to show you how it sounds. 

      Gear used : Fender Jaguar into a Marshall Jubilee 2525, factory lounivibe preset + EHX Small Stone + roland space echo with reverb & delay (you can replace it by any reverb/delay unit) recorded with SM57.

      No post recording effect or eq

      https://vocaroo.com/i/s0VxCDEpJvnU

      and this is step by stp how ! build the sound : 

      https://vocaroo.com/i/s0yXHPbdd4mN

      Have fun !

      • #150767
        William Middlemiss
        Member
        Jonkaille wrote:

        I’v recorded some stuff to show you how it sounds. 

        Gear used : Fender Jaguar into a Marshall Jubilee 2525, factory lounivibe preset + EHX Small Stone + roland space echo with reverb & delay (you can replace it by any reverb/delay unit) recorded with SM57.

        No post recording effect or eq

        https://vocaroo.com/i/s0VxCDEpJvnU

        and this is step by stp how ! build the sound : 

        https://vocaroo.com/i/s0yXHPbdd4mN

        Have fun !

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        Thats pretty good 🙂  

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    • #150772
      kcardita
      Member

      I commented on this  about 2 years ago……    Since then I have :

      1.  about 2 yrs ago I got tired of waiting for Eventide and bit the bullet  and purchased a Drybell Vibe Machine.  It has got “that sound” – with all of the classic uni-vibe trobbing and  nuances….. a glorious pedal

      2. After another 6 months I have moved back into the digital domain got an AxeFx IIXL   –  sold it  in less then a year to upgrade to the AxeFXIII .  The AxeFxIII has a very convincing univibe setting in their phaser block.  I have compared it side by side to the Drybell and it is pretty close 

      3  Recently I have sold my H9 STD.  I kept my  H9 MAX (for the time being) as I am  tring to find a reason to use it with my AxeFxIII.

      Have a chuckle when this thread gets resurected and was glad that I did not wait for a solution …..

      In an earlier post I commented that it was a “hard” algo to do in the digital domain — Fractal Audio (aka Cliff Chase) figured it out — I am confident that guys at Eventide could do it with the H9 –  I guest its just a matter of priority …… 

       Maybe one day I will get around to updateding my H9 and check out the new synth algo 🙂

       

       

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      • #150779
        Jonkaille
        Member
        kcardita wrote:

        I commented on this  about 2 years ago……    Since then I have :

        1.  about 2 yrs ago I got tired of waiting for Eventide and bit the bullet  and purchased a Drybell Vibe Machine.  It has got “that sound” – with all of the classic uni-vibe trobbing and  nuances….. a glorious pedal

        Your post could cost me 340€. Cannot resisting this small univibe. 

        My H9 trick with a small stone sounds cool, but the Kruno Domaćinović demo of the drybell made me drooling. Thats exactly what i was looking for, a univibe clone with a small footprint and photo cells/bulb.

        Just saw an image of the circuit, it looks they made a real clone with add on cool feats

      • #150784
        kcardita
        Member
        Jonkaille wrote:

        Your post could cost me 340€. Cannot resisting this small univibe. 

        EXACTLY  – that’s what the demos did for me !!!!   –  If you want a small foot print with authentic sound/throb – it does not get better then the VibeMachine 

        Gofor it –  I never looked back 🙂

      • #150786
        llemtt
        Participant
        kcardita wrote:

        Jonkaille wrote:

        Your post could cost me 340€. Cannot resisting this small univibe. 

        EXACTLY  – that’s what the demos did for me !!!!   –  If you want a small foot print with authentic sound/throb – it does not get better then the VibeMachine 

        Gofor it –  I never looked back 🙂

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        For anyone wanting to try something smaller and cheaper I suggest the Nux Monterey, for those not expecting it to sound like an authentic clone but at least 90% of it at 40€ it can’t be beaten.

        Micro pedal format, perfect in my ‘micro size’ ‘carry around’ pedalboard and it also features ‘tap tempo’ that I love!

        It can also act as an analog fet buffer to your pedal chain.

        What else?

        cheers

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    • #150773
      Jonkaille
      Member

      Thanks for your return guys.

      I’m sorry, i don’t have a Small Stone preset for H9.

      I use the real thing, Small stone is pretty cheap 2nd hand.

      Lucky guys who got 2 H9, i planed on getting a second H9 too… until i found a Yamaha CP-70 yesterday !

       

    • #150792
      bansta
      Participant

      I would say: Eventide, please, give us some Univibe-Algo! It could be not perfect at the beginigng :), but we need some!

    • #150808
      Jonkaille
      Member

      Ok, it effectively cost me a ton of money. 

      Just bought and ever received a second hand V2 Vibe Machine. 

      It’s a little MONSTER, and sounds way better than the H9 for Univibe. 

      Just spent hours of playing hendrix like stuff using the DryBell.

      Plese EVENTIDE, give us a UNIVIBE algo, so i can sell the DryBell and buy a second H9.

    • #150967
      thebluesman666
      Participant

      When canwe expect an H9 – UNI-VIBE ALGO from the Eventied Folks ?  It would be GREAT !

      • #150997
        mistercharlie
        Participant
        thebluesman666 wrote:

        When canwe expect an H9 – UNI-VIBE ALGO from the Eventied Folks ?  It would be GREAT !

        I can’t believe this thread is still going. Maybe we could get some tow-hooks on our cars to hitch up some horses, too?

      • #150998
        mistercharlie
        Participant
        thebluesman666 wrote:

        When canwe expect an H9 – UNI-VIBE ALGO from the Eventied Folks ?  It would be GREAT !

        I can’t believe this thread is still going. Maybe we could get some tow-hooks on our cars to hitch up some horses, too?

    • #151000
      bansta
      Participant

      Uni-Vibe rules!

    • #151008
      llemtt
      Participant

      Mistery… there was a post from Eventide on friday about univibe beta on H9000 but I can’t no longer find it…

    • #151009
      mjahoger
      Member

      H9000 algorithm no. 6527 is named “Univibe”. Maybe that is what you are refering to?

      • #151023
        llemtt
        Participant
        mjahoger wrote:

        H9000 algorithm no. 6527 is named “Univibe”. Maybe that is what you are refering to?

        Don’t think so, I have found a copy of the post in email but given that it has been removed I won’t disclose.

    • #151847
      apalazzolo
      Participant

      The Holy Trinity in the area is fuzz, echo, and univibe; individually and any combination of the three.  Eventide already nailed the first two in other algos. If they can nail the univibe sound then the combination will be an epic trippy-hippy algo.  Even tide can do it.  It’s just a matter of time.

      Robert Keeley has the Dark Side (digital) pedal directed to exactly this and it sounds great.  So far, though, the pedal only has the processing power to offer two of the three at any given time.  It does show that digital can produce an excellent univibe.

       

      • #151851
        llemtt
        Participant
        apalazzolo wrote:

        So far, though, the pedal only has the processing power to offer two of the three at any given time.

        Right, not enough dsp power on H9 to deliver an high quality univibe.

    • #151876
      seanmassarrojos
      Member

      Another vote for univibe. It’s probably my favourite effect on the Strymon Mobius.

      Univibe and warped vinyl type algo would be top of my wishlist for my H9.

      All in all though the H9 is a fantastic pedal – incredibly versatile. 

    • #151886
      don1960lp
      Member

      New owner of an H9 here and just read through the thread. Very unhappy that the Eventide folks are not providing any useful feedback on this topic – even a reply along the lines of “We tried. It can’t be done with digital to our standards.” would be better than nothing. This is disappointing.

    • #152917
      Guitarfish
      Participant

      Another new H9 owner here. Having a lot of fun with this unit – the lack of Univibe algorithm is the only disappointment so far. Came to the forum to find out what I was missing, but 5 1/2 years with no progress is not very encouraging 🙁

    • #152938
      mjahoger
      Member

      I have to agree with Guitarfish, that the included UniVibe-like preset that is included with the Harmadillo algorithm is a bit underwelming to say the least. In my opinion, the UniVibe like presets that are available for the Vibrato algorithm (with mix set at 50%) are far more convincing. 

      Of course, if anyone has a preset for Harmadillo that will proof me wrong, I invite them to share it with us. 

    • #152947
      davebrubaker
      Participant

      Let’s get a grip here. The H9 is an amazing pedal. But it can’t do everything. It’s digital, not analog. The classic Univibe is analog. It’s got a light bulb in it. There’s not a single digital univibe pedal out there that nails it. None. All the good vibe pedals are analog. What does that tell you?

    • #152948
      llemtt
      Participant

      Use H9 for what it offers… if you want a true Univibe effect buy a Univibe pedal!

      Eventide has never made a copy of any specific effect instance and Univibe is nothing but an instance of a two stage phaser.

       

      Cheers

    • #152949
      mcvittym
      Participant

      I understand to there is a Univibe setting in the H9000 but that it uses more DSP than the H9 can deliver.

    • #152953
      camn
      Participant

      stop playin, people.

    • #139886
      mcvittym
      Participant
      gkellum wrote:

      People have posted various presets for a Univibe sound using the Phaser algorithm on the gearpage. Have you all tried those?  I'd be interested in hearing how they measured up to your expectations.  

      For example here's one from the H9 Owners thread

      * Ken replied on 24 Mar 2009 11:48 PM rated by 0 users
      Phaser
      Intensity=48
      Type=Positive
      Depth=25
      Speed=1.65
      Shape=Sine
      Xnob=Stags-2
      D-Mod=45
      Smod=28
      ModRate=.25×5

      How does this measure up to your expectations?  A lot of people have been asking for a Univibe.  I guess we need to gauge whether people think they can get close enough to the sound they want with one of the current algorithms or do we need a dedicated Univibe algorithm?


      I reckon that a credible Univibe algorithm for ModFactor/H9 would be of significant commercial benefit to Eventide!

    • #152918
      apalazzolo
      Participant
      Guitarfish wrote:
      Another new H9 owner here. Having a lot of fun with this unit – the lack of Univibe algorithm is the only disappointment so far. Came to the forum to find out what I was missing, but 5 1/2 years with no progress is not very encouraging 🙁

      OP:   Ughhhhhhh ….. Harmadillo Harmadillo Harmadillo Harmadillo Harmadillo Harmadillo Harmadillo

    • #152921
      camn
      Participant
      Guitarfish wrote:
      Another new H9 owner here. Having a lot of fun with this unit – the lack of Univibe algorithm is the only disappointment so far. Came to the forum to find out what I was missing, but 5 1/2 years with no progress is not very encouraging 🙁

       

      Stop playin. The latest Algo puts this issue to bed.

    • #152961
      apalazzolo
      Participant
      mjahoger wrote:

      I have to agree with Guitarfish, that the included UniVibe-like preset that is included with the Harmadillo algorithm is a bit underwelming to say the least. In my opinion, the UniVibe like presets that are available for the Vibrato algorithm (with mix set at 50%) are far more convincing. 

      Of course, if anyone has a preset for Harmadillo that will proof me wrong, I invite them to share it with us. 

      Okay, my best efforts from both of Harmadillo and Vibrato are attached. I think the Harmadillo presets wins it.  If you can best these, I will happily admit defeat and and copy your work! :o)

       

       

    • #152969
      Given To Fly
      Participant
      apalazzolo wrote:

      Okay, my best efforts from both of Harmadillo and Vibrato are attached. I think the Harmadillo presets wins it.  If you can best these, I will happily admit defeat and and copy your work! :o)

      I like the spirit of your post! yes

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