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thanks italo

i will give it a go!!! as regards to updating to vers 4, no i have not yet, i was sure i had a 9 pin com lead, but i cannot get my hands on it, i will have to order.

I am excited about the update especially regarding the mod and time factor algos, again when using these i am only going to be able to place one in each fx block

i know you dont want to hear this, but i am trying to figure the best way of combining the eclipse and TC GFORCE together especially running from a preamp

thanks for your advice