shifting formants

[formants]

Hello,

 my question is: can I shift formants separately from pitchshifting with an Eventide 8000FW? (In the wayI can do it with Melodyne (http://www.celemony.com/cms/index.php?id=358) elastique (http://www.zplane.de/index.php?mact=News,cntnt01,detail,0&cntnt01articleid=31&cntnt01origid=39&cntnt01returnid=92)  I have to do it in real time. Tha's why the software doesn't work for me. Does someone know about it. I had a EventideDSP 4000and it couldn't do the job.

 Thans for help

"Eventides Ultrashifter formant-maintaining pitch shifter optimized for the human voice."  Can I do it separately???!!! Or another machine?

[IDeangelis]

 Hello

it sounds a bit unclear to me what exactly you need to do.

Normally you don't pitch shift formants; they happen to be the peculiar physical aspects a phonetic media overimposes on the sound it generates. When you pitch shift such sound, the formant_accurate pitch shifter should calculate the correct formant at different pitches so that the sound remains "loyal" to its character over the shift range, avoiding chipmunks artifacts.

Could you explain what exactly is t he task you are looking into?

thanks

I

[formants]

In the
software "Melodyne" and the "elastique" you have the option to shift
pitch and to shift formans. Formants shifting in a – direction makes
the sound more muffled if you add more formants the sound becomes more
treble high quality. I do not how to explane it better. I totally
understand your mentioned aspect:

different pitches so that the sound remains "loyal" to its character over the shift

But for me the nice thing was to be able to play with the density of the sound.

So if Eventide has calculation (with the Ultrashifter)I was hoping that
there is a way to have the possibility to calculate those formants
fluently….

http://images.google.de/imgres?imgurl=http://www.musicmarketing.ca/products/images/melodyne_plugin2.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.musicmarketing.ca/products/melodyne_plugin.asp&usg=__lfVox09K1AqxOYmMo9mz0zban2w=&h=362&w=600&sz=30&hl=de&start=11&um=1&tbnid=xo8H8TkDq3RSCM:&tbnh=81&tbnw=135&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dmelodyne%2Bl%2Bformant%26hl%3Dde%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:de:official%26sa%3DG%26um%3D1

Thanks for trying to help

Am Fri, 5 Jun 2009 12:40:00 -0400

 schreib IDeangelis <bounce-IDeangelis@eventide.com>:

Hello

it sounds a bit unclear to me what exactly you need to do.

Normally you don't pitch shift formants; they happen to be the peculiar
physical aspects a phonetic media overimposes on the sound it
generates. When you pitch shift such sound, the formant_accurate pitch
shifter should calculate the correct formant at different pitches so
that the sound remains "loyal" to its character over the shift range,
avoiding chipmunks artifacts.

Could you explain what exactly is t he task you are looking into?

thanks

I —

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[IDeangelis]

UltraShifter is mostly a voice dedicated shifter. It allows both automatic calculation of correct formants in relation to pitch shifting and manual adjustments too.

If you are trying to venture to more uncharted directions it may not be the proper tool for you. I can only advice you test the unit and check if it's useful to your needs. 

kind regards

I

[formants]

 thank you. It is kind tuff to see a gear in realtime…. I have to find a store and listen….

[richardt]

There are some presets in my Orville which allow formant shifting withour changing the pitch. I'm sure those presets are also in the 8000 but I can't remember which ones they are at the moment (1000+ presets to go through to find them).

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