cycling 74 RNBO

[taylor12k]

ok, wow. well, here’s our granular… (and more)

Eventide H9000 adds Cycling ’74 RNBO patch import, a door opener for new effects

 

 

how? when?

[ddv]

+1

When will we see some docs/info on this? 🙂

[OsedEsahc]

This is so cool. I’m assuming it’ll be included in a future update. Excited to dig in!!

 

 

[jbamberg]

Thanks for your interest!

Documentation will be coming soon.

The H9000 side won’t require a firmware update, but you’ll need to install or update the RNBO package in the Max package manager, and this will also be released soon.

We’ll update this topic when there’s more information to share.

[mishik]

are you planning it for h90? as know it’s same arm platform

[jbamberg]

We are considering it.  No commitment at this stage, though.

[kims]

Yes great news but plz dont lock it to a specific daw

[jbamberg]

There’s no DAW needed for this.  You just export your patch from Max/RNBO directly to the H9000, and from then it behaves just like any other H9000 algorithm.

[joeydego]

Can someone explain how this is different from vsig?

[taylor12k]

it also opens up the h9000 to the massive world, user base and library of max/msp.

it’s been a little disappointing that the H9000 has largely just been “more h8000” instead of really pushing into new territory… maybe this will change that a bit.

[Puppeteer]

joeydego wrote:

Can someone explain how this is different from vsig?

With VSIG, you have a fixed (though admittedly large) number of dsp, maths and other blocks that you can wire together to do things.  There are some things that are hard or impossible to do with those blocks (notably sample level manipulation, unusual filter design, some non-linear processes).

~gen and ~rnbo are supported in Max that have a different set of tools, so some things that are hard to do in VSIG are easier to do.  Conversely some things will be easier in VSIG than in ~gen or ~rnbo.  The programming in Max compiles C++ objects that get inserted into the H9000 and can do some custom dsp processing.

[joeydego]

I shall wait for the great minds here to use these new and exciting tools and look forward to what y’all come up with.

[moschops]

This is incredible news!

 

I’m totally intrigued how this is going to work and what the limitations might be, any other info on this?

Maybe import msp patches into vsig? or some other conversion app?

I would think a video would serve as a great help to users and be a great advert for those thinking about getting an H9000 or people wanting a pro device to host their Max/msp patches?

Thank you, any info greatly appreciated.

[Puppeteer]

RNBO and Gen~ are programming languages under Max, so it will allow some programs built on those languages to be loaded into the H9000. There will be more info coming in time, I’m sure.

[moschops]

This potentially sounds like the biggest news possible for this machine!

[moschops]

1 month later any news?

[tbskoglund]

Thanks for your interest! Sorry, no we cannot provide a timeline at the moment but we are currently testing this extensively and hope to have a public release available soon.

[kims]

Yes thats gonna take a while…´i think….i hope its an extra new “operating system” beside the “old one”..or even both at the same time..wow 🙂 but this year..right??? 🙂

They have to check for bugs too, what a job

 

 

[Ulven]

Just saw this on the cycling74 site:

https://cycling74.com/products/rnbo/eventide-for-rnbo

Seems like it’s moving forward 🙂

[taylor12k]

great news. looking forward to instructions on how we can all get started with using it.

i’m not a max/msp guy, so hopefully we’ll start to see libraries of ported patches pop up when things get off the ground.

[Julienbayle]

Great fan of 12k, and artist but max certified trainer too, feel free to connect if you want some deep patches. I work with rnbo on delays, granulars, overdubbers, signal decayers and more, specifically these days…

[tbskoglund]

The public beta is now available!

You must use the correct beta versions of RNBO and the Eventide H9000 package for this to work properly. Setup instructions can be found here: https://cycling74.com/forums/eventide-h9000-package-for-rnbo-public-beta

Further information can be found here: https://cdn.eventideaudio.com/manuals/h9000/2.1.12/content/development/rnbo.html#content-development-rnbo–page-root

Let us know if you run into any issues. Thanks for your patience and happy patching!

[Jago_Marris]

I have logged this in the Cycling74 Max forum…..But thought I would add it here, in case anyone else is getting this issue, or resolved it?

 

Hello. I have just downloaded Max 8.6.2 and Emote firmware is the latest.

I have installed the Eventide Beta 1.0.3-beta.4 and rNBO v1.2.7-eventide.0.

When I start the Max application the Eventide is not seen in RNBO export.

If I restart the H9000 it will be present for about 50 seconds and then this screen appears. Loading Config…..

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The H9000 will then loose it’s connection and the window shows no available RNBO device.

The H9000 is connected to Emote and visible/available throughout this. So its connection is stable.
I have my H9000 connected via a router to my Mac. Emote has no issues with connections.

 

Thanks

 

Jago

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[tbskoglund]

Sorry to hear you are having issues.

Are you using a Mac? If so, can you please go to System Settings > Network and send me a screenshot of this page?

[Jago_Marris]

Hello. Yes using a Mac.

 

 

Here is the network page attached.

 

Thanks

 

Jago

 

 

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[tbskoglund]

Thanks.

Can you give me more information about your network setup? Is your computer connected to the network via Wi-Fi, but the H9000 is connected to the network via ethernet from a router?

Can you try clicking the three dot icon on the right below “Other Services”, select “Set Service Order”, and drag Wi-Fi to the top of the list?

[Jago_Marris]

Hello. Yes. Computer connected to internet via Wifi. Evetide connected via Ethernet (via a router) to Mac.

 

I have re-ordered the services. I made ethernet inactive/active and the H9000 appeared in Max and then disappeared after about 40 seconds as it was doing before.

 

Thanks

 

Jago

 

 

[tbskoglund]

Can you try connecting the H9000 via Wi-Fi instead of ethernet from the router? You may need to make ethernet inactive in your settings for this to work.

Alternatively, can you connect your H9000 directly to your computer using an ethernet cable? No further configuration should be necessary for this.

Both of the above connection methods work for my setup. I am unable to test a networked ethernet connection.

We may need to adjust some settings for the connection to work properly with certain network configurations. If you are able to try either of the above suggestions, please let me know what happens.

[Jago_Marris]

Thanks for the feedback.

 

option. 1

After trying 4 times to get the H9000R to connect to wifi I gave up. (Following the instructions in the manual)

It kept disconnecting and would not establish a wifi connection when I had to enter the H9K password.

This is why I like the simplicity and speed of ethernet.

 

option 2 is no go. I have a number of pieces of hardware that require ehternet and only have single port on my Mac. So need to use a router.

 

I hope you will get this fixed for people who have a set-up like mine.

 

Thanks

 

Jago

[Puppeteer]

I connected  fine with Windows 10 through ethernet switches on earlier beta’s.  I have not tried uploading with the public beta yet, but will try next week if I get some time.  I’m in the middle of a bunch of court stuff at the moment, so studio has to take a back seat for a few weeks.

[mhgrey]

Jago, figured out a workaround, at least it’s currently working here. Hang a wireless access point on the H9000 – either the Eventide factory supplied USB wireless stick or a 3rd party wireless access point (WAP) connected to the H9000’s rear network port. Establish Mac<>WAP connection and confirm the Mac’s wireless IP range is the same as the H9000 – you might need to force a static IP on the Mac side. Launch Emote and make sure connectivity is established. Once established, launch MaxMSP, open an RNBO patch, and you should now see H9000 as a stable target export device. Because RNBO needs an internet connection to compile the RNBO patch before sending to the H9000 you’ll need to hard wire from the Mac NIC into an internet-established switch or home internet router. Confirm you can access the internet via wired ethernet (say, with a web browser) and you’re ready to go. Cheers.

[jbamberg]

We’ve published an updated Eventide H9000 package to the Max Package Manager that should fix the issue when there are multiple network interfaces (for example, WiFi for internet access and wired ethernet for H9000).

Please update to version 1.0.4-beta.1 and let us know how it goes.

[mhgrey]

No change, RNBO still dropping H9000 as target export device. Note, my workaround above is still working and stable, but not ideal…

[Jago_Marris]

mhgrey wrote:

No change, RNBO still dropping H9000 as target export device. Note, my workaround above is still working and stable, but not ideal…

 

Same here. The update still drops connection.

 

Thanks for the tips on the workaround Mhgrey. Will take a look.

[jbamberg]

Well, I apologize.  We tested this yesterday and it was working well.  Just tried it again this morning, and it has reverted to the previous behavior.  I spent a little time playing around and found that if I restart my Mac, the H9000 export target returns.  It would help us in debugging this to know if you see the same result.

[Jago_Marris]

If you;

 

Restart the Mac

Restart the H9K

Disable/Enable Ethernet

 

Then the H9K will appear in the Max app for about 50 seconds then lose connection again.

 

Thanks

 

Jago

[mhgrey]

Ditto, same result.

[Jago_Marris]

Just got an update from Eventide. They have released version 1.0.4 Beta 3. This has resolved the connection issues dropping.

 

Thanks Eventide.

 

Cheers

 

Jago

[jbamberg]

Good to hear it, and thanks for the help with testing.

[mhgrey]

That’s working. Much appreciated, thanks!

[mhgrey]

Is there a way to incorporate tempo sync, from say a DAW into the newly exported RNBO patch -> H9000 user algo? In VSig we use the midiclock object to pull MIDI clock, start and stop into user created algos. Here upstream in RNBO, the transport object pulls tempo from the MaxMSP global transport. Of course, on the H9000 there is “Tempo Mode” on an as per algo basis, which works for H9000 factory algos. If not possible, perhaps something to be included in a future update? Cheers!

[jbamberg]

Good idea, we will definitely look into this for the next update.

[tomhall]

I just dropped some Max/rnbo~ patches and rnbo~ made h9k Algorithms Here

[joeydego]

After asking questions about this, I have to say I still do not fully understand what this is (no need to try and explain again).

 

Will this result in more algorithms I can import into my H9000 and not need anything else? I do not use vsig as it is now.

[joeydego]

Just installed Tom Hall’s patches, so I guess that answers that. Thanks!

[taylor12k]

hi julian.. thanks! curious what sorts of things can be done with it. i tried using max/msp 20+ years ago but never got far with it.

 

Julienbayle wrote:

Great fan of 12k, and artist but max certified trainer too, feel free to connect if you want some deep patches. I work with rnbo on delays, granulars, overdubbers, signal decayers and more, specifically these days…

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